# Beeminiding productivity? **URL:** \ **Category:** Akrasia\ **Created:** [December 26, 2014, 9:40pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/beeminiding-productivity/351 "2014-12-26T21:40:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![drmaciver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/drmaciver/32/80_2.png) [@drmaciver](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/drmaciver)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2014, 9:40pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/beeminiding-productivity/351/1 "2014-12-26T21:40:28Z")
I am just starting a period of deliberate unemployment, with the goal of working on a bunch of things and doing some self-study. Historically when I’ve done this it’s gone… less than well, and I’ve tended to let things drift. I would like to use beeminder to make sure that I don’t do that again. My current plan is [a tagtime powered goal where I tag time as simply “productive”](https://www.beeminder.com/drmaciver/goals/productive) (the terms of what counts as productive are precisely defined), but I was wondering if anyone else had any experiences around this sort of thing and what had worked/not worked for you. (If you care, here [is a post about some stuff I’m planning to work on](http://www.drmaciver.com/2014/12/so-what-happens-now/), but it is purely descriptive of my current thoughts rather than intended as a precommitment) ---
**Author:** ![dreev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/dreev/32/4311_2.png) [@dreev](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/dreev)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2014, 12:29am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/beeminiding-productivity/351/2 "2014-12-27T00:29:17Z")
I do the inverse of your productive goal – [beeminder.com/d/smk](http://beeminder.com/d/smk "My time spent distracted from what I wanted to be doing") – where I tag pings as “smk” (as in “smack, get back to work”) if TagTime catches me distracted from what I wanted to be doing. It’s a little too fuzzy a criterion (I’m glad to hear you have precisely defined criteria for yours) but it’s a valuable nudge in the right direction with no real overhead since I’m already using TagTime. And then I have project-specific do-more goals, mainly [beeminder.com/d/meta](http://beeminder.com/d/meta "My time spent working on Beeminder -- approaching 10k hours as of this writing!"). (PSA: When I derail on that the [money goes to a user](http://blog.beeminder.com/blogdog "Instructions for claiming our pledges when we derail on meta goals") and I currently have a ~~3% chance~~ 1% chance (ping just now!) of derailing if I stay completely focused till midnight. Having beemergencies on TagTime-based goals is stressful and unnerving and I _love_ it because it forces focus so well. See also [tminder.meteor.com](http://tminder.meteor.com "TagTime Minder -- shows you realtime probability of derailing given your deadline and number of emergency pings remaining").) @bee’s best trick for beeminding productivity is [tocks](http://github.com/dreeves/tocks "This is not packaged well enough"), which works because it automatically posts the intended task to our dev hipchat channel and if TagTime catches you distracted before you’re done it sends a -2 to Beeminder. Other people seem to beemind pomodoros by less elaborate means. ---
**Author:** ![drmaciver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/drmaciver/32/80_2.png) [@drmaciver](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/drmaciver)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2014, 9:52am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/beeminiding-productivity/351/3 "2014-12-27T09:52:53Z")
Ooh. Pomodoros. Good point! I forgot about Pomodoros. I don’t really want to the smacks thing because I’m not going to have well defined working hours in which I “should” be doing work, but I might try the tocks or something similar for specifically beeminding distraction during pomodoros. I’ll see if that’s actually a major problem - historically the problem has been getting around to it rather than getting distracted while I’ve got around to it. ---
**Author:** ![saranli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/saranli/32/954_2.png) [@saranli](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/saranli)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 11:07pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/beeminiding-productivity/351/4 "2014-12-28T23:07:14Z")
I actually found that more specific goals work well for me when using TagTime in conjunction with Beeminder since it also acts as a nice ToDo list in addition to tracking time-spent. To implement this, I think of a set of well-defined tasks that have reasonable continuity (i.e. they will take more than a few weeks to finish), assign a weekly number of hours to them and then link them to TagTime tags using the Android app. Combined with home screen widgets, it works as a very nice todo list, also tracking how much time I spend on each. As an example, I have goals for my teaching: ceng787, ceng424, ceng336, academic tasks: reading, projects, academic, icar2015 (conference) and a goal for beeminder work. I have associated tags, which automatically enter datapoints from within the app. This setup has been working well recently. ---
**Author:** ![philip](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/philip/32/1505_2.png) [@philip](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/philip)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2014, 9:47am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/beeminiding-productivity/351/5 "2014-12-29T09:47:59Z")
Like @saranli, I use TagTime goals for **well-defined, long-running, real-world projects** , such as preparing for upcoming conferences. I suspect that the more arbitrary your choice of time commitment, the less suitable TagTime is for tracking it. Because it’s stochastic, emergency days on TagTime goals are qualitatively different than emergency days on most ‘do more’ goals. It’ll either suit your psychology or not; you can attempt to catch those pings early in the day, but there’s ever-increasing risk of derailment, worse if you don’t keep 100% focus on the task. ---
**Author:** ![drmaciver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/drmaciver/32/80_2.png) [@drmaciver](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/drmaciver)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/beeminiding-productivity/351/6 "2015-01-05T15:49:55Z")
I have in the end archived my productive goal (I’m still on the hook for it, but it has \> 7 days buffer in it so _shrug_) as it was indeed a bit too generic - it didn’t really force me to work on the things I actually should be working on. I’ve split it into two goals which don’t have full coverage of what was in the productive goal but should each be things I do more of. We’ll see how that goes.