# harsh feedback on new graphs **URL:** \ **Category:** uncategorized\ **Created:** [February 24, 2012, 8:59pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/harsh-feedback-on-new-graphs/1363 "2012-02-24T20:59:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dreev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/dreev/32/4311_2.png) [@dreev](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/dreev)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 8:59pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/harsh-feedback-on-new-graphs/1363/1 "2012-02-24T20:59:34Z")
just got some harsh feedback on the new look of the graphs: “it looks childish now. Before it was great! Everything looked right. Now it just looks off. It’s not going to stop me from using your product though. I don’t know maybe its like when facebook makes a layout change and everyone bitches and moans about it, but 2 weeks later they forget and grow to like it.” Bethany thinks that with a few tweaks it will be definitively better than the old version, but I thought I’d solicit feedback from you all. – [http://dreev.es](http://dreev.es) – search://"Daniel Reeves" Follow the Yellow Brick Road – [http://beeminder.com](http://beeminder.com) ---
**Author:** ![Isaac\_Schankler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Isaac\_Schankler](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/Isaac_Schankler)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/harsh-feedback-on-new-graphs/1363/2 "2012-02-24T21:02:06Z")
Is it just me, or is it not as crisp as before? The fonts look fuzzy, like there’s some kind of aliasing issue. On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Daniel Reeves [dreeves@beeminder.com](mailto:dreeves@beeminder.com)wrote: > just got some harsh feedback on the new look of the graphs: > “it looks childish now. Before it was great! Everything looked > right. Now it just looks off. It’s not going to stop me from using > your product though. I don’t know maybe its like when facebook makes a > layout change and everyone bitches and moans about it, but 2 weeks > later they forget and grow to like it.” > > Bethany thinks that with a few tweaks it will be definitively better > than the old version, but I thought I’d solicit feedback from you all. > > – > [http://dreev.es](http://dreev.es) – search://“Daniel Reeves” > Follow the Yellow Brick Road – [http://beeminder.com](http://beeminder.com) ---
**Author:** ![Johnicholas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@Johnicholas](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/Johnicholas)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 9:07pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/harsh-feedback-on-new-graphs/1363/3 "2012-02-24T21:07:39Z")
I think the primary unpleasantness is the speed of rendering / re-rendering. Is it impractical to put the rendering on the client side? Javascript’s canvas2d api is pretty much the same as any other vector graphics api. Johnicholas On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Isaac Schankler [eyesack@gmail.com](mailto:eyesack@gmail.com) wrote: > Is it just me, or is it not as crisp as before? The fonts look fuzzy, like > there’s some kind of aliasing issue. > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Daniel Reeves [dreeves@beeminder.com](mailto:dreeves@beeminder.com)wrote: > > > just got some harsh feedback on the new look of the graphs: > > “it looks childish now. Before it was great! Everything looked > > right. Now it just looks off. It’s not going to stop me from using > > your product though. I don’t know maybe its like when facebook makes a > > layout change and everyone bitches and moans about it, but 2 weeks > > later they forget and grow to like it.” > > > > Bethany thinks that with a few tweaks it will be definitively better > > than the old version, but I thought I’d solicit feedback from you all. > > > > – > > [http://dreev.es](http://dreev.es) – search://“Daniel Reeves” > > Follow the Yellow Brick Road – [http://beeminder.com](http://beeminder.com) ---
**Author:** ![Jake\_Jenkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Jake\_Jenkins](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/Jake_Jenkins)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 9:09pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/harsh-feedback-on-new-graphs/1363/4 "2012-02-24T21:09:04Z")
Initial thoughts - yellow is very hard to see, yellow brick road and days of buffer almost impossible to make out - axis and units are easier to read, definite improvement - akrasia horizon is easier to read, definite improvement - the color of my data points and line look different… Not sure if I like the new colors, but not really sure what they were before - it does seem a little washed out or out of focus now. It was very sharp and bright before and now seems dull and muted -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Reeves [dreeves@beeminder.com](mailto:dreeves@beeminder.com) Sender: [akratics@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics@googlegroups.com) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:59:34 To: akratics[akratics@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics@googlegroups.com) Reply-To: [akratics@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics@googlegroups.com) Subject: harsh feedback on new graphs just got some harsh feedback on the new look of the graphs: “it looks childish now. Before it was great! Everything looked right. Now it just looks off. It’s not going to stop me from using your product though. I don’t know maybe its like when facebook makes a layout change and everyone bitches and moans about it, but 2 weeks later they forget and grow to like it.” Bethany thinks that with a few tweaks it will be definitively better than the old version, but I thought I’d solicit feedback from you all. – [http://dreev.es](http://dreev.es) – search://"Daniel Reeves" Follow the Yellow Brick Road – [http://beeminder.com](http://beeminder.com) ---
**Author:** ![Jake\_Jenkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Jake\_Jenkins](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/Jake_Jenkins)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/harsh-feedback-on-new-graphs/1363/5 "2012-02-24T21:11:11Z")
I didn’t even notice that until you said it. Now everytime I reload my graph I see it load from top to bottom. Is that new too? -----Original Message----- From: Johnicholas Hines [johnicholas.hines@gmail.com](mailto:johnicholas.hines@gmail.com) Sender: [akratics@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics@googlegroups.com) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:07:39 To: [akratics@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics@googlegroups.com) Reply-To: [akratics@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics@googlegroups.com) Subject: Re: harsh feedback on new graphs I think the primary unpleasantness is the speed of rendering / re-rendering. Is it impractical to put the rendering on the client side? Javascript’s canvas2d api is pretty much the same as any other vector graphics api. Johnicholas On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Isaac Schankler [eyesack@gmail.com](mailto:eyesack@gmail.com) wrote: > Is it just me, or is it not as crisp as before? The fonts look fuzzy, like > there’s some kind of aliasing issue. > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Daniel Reeves [dreeves@beeminder.com](mailto:dreeves@beeminder.com)wrote: > > > just got some harsh feedback on the new look of the graphs: > > “it looks childish now. Before it was great! Everything looked > > right. Now it just looks off. It’s not going to stop me from using > > your product though. I don’t know maybe its like when facebook makes a > > layout change and everyone bitches and moans about it, but 2 weeks > > later they forget and grow to like it.” > > > > Bethany thinks that with a few tweaks it will be definitively better > > than the old version, but I thought I’d solicit feedback from you all. > > > > – > > [http://dreev.es](http://dreev.es) – search://“Daniel Reeves” > > Follow the Yellow Brick Road – [http://beeminder.com](http://beeminder.com) ---
**Author:** ![dreev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/dreev/32/4311_2.png) [@dreev](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/dreev)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2012, 12:41am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/harsh-feedback-on-new-graphs/1363/6 "2012-02-25T00:41:33Z")
thanks everyone! we improved the fuzziness _slightly_ [1] and we’re working on some of the other issues. keep letting us know what weirdnesses you notice! danny and bethany [1] as rob felty pointed out, we were accidentally specifying a different height/width in the html than the actual image size On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 13:02, Isaac Schankler [eyesack@gmail.com](mailto:eyesack@gmail.com) wrote: > Is it just me, or is it not as crisp as before? The fonts look fuzzy, like > there’s some kind of aliasing issue. > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Daniel Reeves [dreeves@beeminder.com](mailto:dreeves@beeminder.com) > wrote: > > > just got some harsh feedback on the new look of the graphs: > > “it looks childish now. Before it was great! Everything looked > > right. Now it just looks off. It’s not going to stop me from using > > your product though. I don’t know maybe its like when facebook makes a > > layout change and everyone bitches and moans about it, but 2 weeks > > later they forget and grow to like it.” > > > > Bethany thinks that with a few tweaks it will be definitively better > > than the old version, but I thought I’d solicit feedback from you all. > > > > – > > [http://dreev.es](http://dreev.es) – search://“Daniel Reeves” > > Follow the Yellow Brick Road – [http://beeminder.com](http://beeminder.com) – [http://dreev.es](http://dreev.es) – search://“Daniel Reeves” Follow the Yellow Brick Road – [http://beeminder.com](http://beeminder.com) ---
**Author:** ![mirolabs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/mirolabs/32/2458_2.png) [@mirolabs](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/mirolabs)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/harsh-feedback-on-new-graphs/1363/7 "2012-02-25T21:02:06Z")
Has anybody had access to Superbetter ([https://www.superbetter.com/page/faq](https://www.superbetter.com/page/faq)) yet? I’d love to try it, but it seems there’s an access code needed until the start of the public beta… Alex ---
**Author:** ![dreev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/dreev/32/4311_2.png) [@dreev](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/dreev)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2012, 12:27am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/harsh-feedback-on-new-graphs/1363/8 "2012-02-26T00:27:53Z")
I hadn’t heard of Superbetter. My first impression is that it sounds a little touchy-feely for me but I’ll be happy to be proved wrong! On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 13:02, Alexander Schwarz [miro23@gmail.com](mailto:miro23@gmail.com) wrote: > Has anybody had access to Superbetter > ([SuperBetter: Empower Youth Mental Health](https://www.superbetter.com/page/faq)) yet? > > I’d love to try it, but it seems there’s an access code needed until > the start of the public beta… > > Alex – [http://dreev.es](http://dreev.es) – search://“Daniel Reeves” Follow the Yellow Brick Road – [http://beeminder.com](http://beeminder.com) ---
**Author:** ![Jake\_Hofman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/jake_hofman/32/687_2.png) [@Jake\_Hofman](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/Jake_Hofman)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/harsh-feedback-on-new-graphs/1363/9 "2012-02-26T01:23:20Z")
+1 for client-side plotting in javascript. flot would work for a quick and dirty solution, but can, in my experience, become frustrating for highly customized plots. d3.js might be a nice option—while there’s a bit more overhead, it allows for complete control of svg elements. this would also facilitate nice interactive plots (mouseovers on data points, etc.). -j On Feb 24, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Jake Jenkins wrote: > I didn’t even notice that until you said it. Now everytime I reload my graph I see it load from top to bottom. Is that new too? > From: Johnicholas Hines [johnicholas.hines@gmail.com](mailto:johnicholas.hines@gmail.com) > Sender: [akratics@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics@googlegroups.com) > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:07:39 -0500 > To: [akratics@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics@googlegroups.com) > ReplyTo: [akratics@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics@googlegroups.com) > Subject: Re: harsh feedback on new graphs > > I think the primary unpleasantness is the speed of rendering / re-rendering. > Is it impractical to put the rendering on the client side? > Javascript’s canvas2d api is pretty much the same as any other vector graphics api. > > Johnicholas > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Isaac Schankler [eyesack@gmail.com](mailto:eyesack@gmail.com) wrote: > Is it just me, or is it not as crisp as before? The fonts look fuzzy, like there’s some kind of aliasing issue. > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Daniel Reeves [dreeves@beeminder.com](mailto:dreeves@beeminder.com) wrote: > just got some harsh feedback on the new look of the graphs: > “it looks childish now. Before it was great! Everything looked > right. Now it just looks off. It’s not going to stop me from using > your product though. I don’t know maybe its like when facebook makes a > layout change and everyone bitches and moans about it, but 2 weeks > later they forget and grow to like it.” > > Bethany thinks that with a few tweaks it will be definitively better > than the old version, but I thought I’d solicit feedback from you all. > > – > [http://dreev.es](http://dreev.es) – search://“Daniel Reeves” > Follow the Yellow Brick Road – [http://beeminder.com](http://beeminder.com)