# Rate units : daily vs weekly? **URL:** \ **Category:** uncategorized\ **Created:** [February 8, 2013, 10:53am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/rate-units-daily-vs-weekly/1406 "2013-02-08T10:53:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pankajmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4491bb/32.png) [@pankajmore](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/pankajmore)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 10:53am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/rate-units-daily-vs-weekly/1406/1 "2013-02-08T10:53:38Z")
A very noob question : but what is the difference between rates 1 per day and 7 per week ? Also , which rate is better in which scenario? I am beeminding the number of pomodoros completed with a rate of 42/week? Would it be better in this case to switch to 6/day? ---
**Author:** ![afcuttin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@afcuttin](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/afcuttin)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 12:01pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/rate-units-daily-vs-weekly/1406/2 "2013-02-08T12:01:01Z")
I think this depends on the activity you are beeminding and on its weekly schedule. If it is performed daily, and you can quantify it on a daily basis, go for a daily rate. As an example: I have started to use anki, and I’m beeminding both new cards[https://www.beeminder.com/afcuttin/goals/anki02](https://www.beeminder.com/afcuttin/goals/anki02)and cards under review. I know that I want to learn 25 new cards every day(this can be set up in the app and I have control on this), in the weekend also, so in this case I opted for a daily rate. On the other side, I’m beeminding my hours of study. Since I know that in the weekend I may not study (provided I have enough safety[https://beeminder.uservoice.com/forums/3011-general/suggestions/2489098-allow-scheduling-of-days-off-in-advance](https://beeminder.uservoice.com/forums/3011-general/suggestions/2489098-allow-scheduling-of-days-off-in-advance) buffer [http://blog.beeminder.com/chunky/](http://blog.beeminder.com/chunky/)), I opted for a weekly rate. Hope this helps! Alessandro On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Pankaj More(BlankVerse) \< [pankajmore@gmail.com](mailto:pankajmore@gmail.com)\> wrote: > A very noob question : but what is the difference between rates 1 per day > and 7 per week ? > > Also , which rate is better in which scenario? > > I am beeminding the number of pomodoros completed with a rate of 42/week? > Would it be better in this case to switch to 6/day? > > – > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > “Akratics Anonymous” group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). > For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/groups/opt\_out](https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out). ---
**Author:** ![pankajmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4491bb/32.png) [@pankajmore](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/pankajmore)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 12:18pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/rate-units-daily-vs-weekly/1406/3 "2013-02-08T12:18:31Z")
But what about derailment? Is there any difference? A 7/week rate would derail if I don’t enter anything on my first day as would be the case for 1/day rate. For hours of study , I could set the weekly rate W hrs to daily rate W/5 hours per day ( to buffer for weekends) On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Alessandro Cuttin [a.f.cuttin@gmail.com](mailto:a.f.cuttin@gmail.com)wrote: > I think this depends on the activity you are beeminding and on its weekly > schedule. > > If it is performed daily, and you can quantify it on a daily basis, go > for a daily rate. > As an example: I have started to use anki, and I’m beeminding both new > cards [https://www.beeminder.com/afcuttin/goals/anki02](https://www.beeminder.com/afcuttin/goals/anki02) and cards under > review. I know that I want to learn 25 new cards every day(this can be set > up in the app and I have control on this), in the weekend also, so in this > case I opted for a daily rate. > > On the other side, I’m beeminding my hours of study. Since I know that in > the weekend I may not study (provided I have enough safety[https://beeminder.uservoice.com/forums/3011-general/suggestions/2489098-allow-scheduling-of-days-off-in-advance](https://beeminder.uservoice.com/forums/3011-general/suggestions/2489098-allow-scheduling-of-days-off-in-advance) > buffer [http://blog.beeminder.com/chunky/](http://blog.beeminder.com/chunky/)), I opted for a weekly rate. > > Hope this helps! > > Alessandro > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Pankaj More(BlankVerse) \< > [pankajmore@gmail.com](mailto:pankajmore@gmail.com)\> wrote: > > > A very noob question : but what is the difference between rates 1 per day > > and 7 per week ? > > > > Also , which rate is better in which scenario? > > > > I am beeminding the number of pomodoros completed with a rate of 42/week? > > Would it be better in this case to switch to 6/day? > > > > – > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > “Akratics Anonymous” group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to [akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). > > For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/groups/opt\_out](https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out). > > – > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > “Akratics Anonymous” group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). > For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/groups/opt\_out](https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out). ---
**Author:** ![afcuttin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@afcuttin](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/afcuttin)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 12:24pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/rate-units-daily-vs-weekly/1406/4 "2013-02-08T12:24:25Z")
The derailment occurs if you don’t provide enough data points, in both cases. It depends also on the width of your yellow brick road (on which you have no control). I suggest you to set up a goal to try it out. Please keep in mind that you can opt for a test goal: it self-deletes in a week if you don’t opt out (you get a reminder for this, too) Bye, Alessandro On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Pankaj More [pankajmore@gmail.com](mailto:pankajmore@gmail.com) wrote: > But what about derailment? Is there any difference? > > A 7/week rate would derail if I don’t enter anything on my first day as > would be the case for 1/day rate. > > For hours of study , I could set the weekly rate W hrs to daily rate W/5 > hours per day ( to buffer for weekends) > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Alessandro Cuttin [a.f.cuttin@gmail.com](mailto:a.f.cuttin@gmail.com)wrote: > > > I think this depends on the activity you are beeminding and on its weekly > > schedule. > > > > If it is performed daily, and you can quantify it on a daily basis, go > > for a daily rate. > > As an example: I have started to use anki, and I’m beeminding both new > > cards [https://www.beeminder.com/afcuttin/goals/anki02](https://www.beeminder.com/afcuttin/goals/anki02) and cards under > > review. I know that I want to learn 25 new cards every day(this can be set > > up in the app and I have control on this), in the weekend also, so in this > > case I opted for a daily rate. > > > > On the other side, I’m beeminding my hours of study. Since I know that in > > the weekend I may not study (provided I have enough safety[https://beeminder.uservoice.com/forums/3011-general/suggestions/2489098-allow-scheduling-of-days-off-in-advance](https://beeminder.uservoice.com/forums/3011-general/suggestions/2489098-allow-scheduling-of-days-off-in-advance) > > buffer [http://blog.beeminder.com/chunky/](http://blog.beeminder.com/chunky/)), I opted for a weekly rate. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > Alessandro > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Pankaj More(BlankVerse) \< > > [pankajmore@gmail.com](mailto:pankajmore@gmail.com)\> wrote: > > > > > A very noob question : but what is the difference between rates 1 per > > > day and 7 per week ? > > > > > > Also , which rate is better in which scenario? > > > > > > I am beeminding the number of pomodoros completed with a rate of > > > 42/week? Would it be better in this case to switch to 6/day? > > > > > > – > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups “Akratics Anonymous” group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > > > an email to [akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). > > > For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/groups/opt\_out](https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out). > > > > – > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > “Akratics Anonymous” group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to [akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). > > For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/groups/opt\_out](https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out). > > – > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > “Akratics Anonymous” group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). > For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/groups/opt\_out](https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out). ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Fenwick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/paul_fenwick/32/682_2.png) [@Paul\_Fenwick](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/Paul_Fenwick)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 1:19pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/rate-units-daily-vs-weekly/1406/5 "2013-02-08T13:19:29Z")
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Alessandro Cuttin [a.f.cuttin@gmail.com](mailto:a.f.cuttin@gmail.com) wrote: > It depends also on the width of your yellow brick road (on which you have no > control). Wait, we don’t have control over the YBR? I thought for noisy goals Beeminder assures us that if you’re on the good side of the YBR today, you’ll never be off the YBR tomorrow. So to get an extra-wide YBR you just make sure you’re perfect much perfect, and then have the biggest, most giant thanksgiving feast ever, and then weigh yourself immediately after midnight having drunk 2 litres of eggnog and singing “Call Me Maybe”… Or have I been gaming it wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Bethany\_M\_Soule](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/bethany_m_soule/32/666_2.png) [@Bethany\_M\_Soule](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/Bethany_M_Soule)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/rate-units-daily-vs-weekly/1406/6 "2013-02-08T18:28:54Z")
Beeminder considers everything at day granularity, so the weekly vs daily etc rate units are just a convenience. If it is something that you think of in terms of how often you do it per day (e.g. servings of vegetables) rather than how often per week (e.g. number of times you eat out), you can switch the rate units and let us do the multiplication for you. Bethany (and that is totally true of noisy roads, paul, but for non-noisy roads, it is based on the rate of the road, which you do have control over so _technically_…) On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Paul Fenwick [paul.j.fenwick@gmail.com](mailto:paul.j.fenwick@gmail.com) wrote: > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Alessandro Cuttin [a.f.cuttin@gmail.com](mailto:a.f.cuttin@gmail.com) wrote: > > > It depends also on the width of your yellow brick road (on which you have no > > control). > > Wait, we don’t have control over the YBR? I thought for noisy goals > Beeminder assures us that if you’re on the good side of the YBR today, > you’ll never be off the YBR tomorrow. So to get an extra-wide YBR you > just make sure you’re perfect much perfect, and then have the biggest, > most giant thanksgiving feast ever, and then weigh yourself > immediately after midnight having drunk 2 litres of eggnog and singing > “Call Me Maybe”… > > Or have I been gaming it wrong? > > – > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Akratics Anonymous” group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). > For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/groups/opt\_out](https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out). – > **[Bethaknee is me](https://bsoule.com)** > > Bethany is a Master of computer science by authority of Columbia University. She is passionate about autonomous locomotion, self quantification, fiber arts, mythologies, and of course codecodecode. She lives in the verdant Pacific Northwest. [http://beeminder.com](http://beeminder.com) – Reminders with a sting ---
**Author:** ![Ben\_Eills](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/ben_eills/32/692_2.png) [@Ben\_Eills](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/Ben_Eills)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/rate-units-daily-vs-weekly/1406/7 "2013-02-08T18:32:24Z")
This conversation has reminded me: switching between rate units is quite clumsy with the current interface. Perhaps: 1. Unit selection at goal creation screen 2. Shorthand syntax to change rate from “Dial” box. e.g. If I enter “20” it keeps current behavior, but if I enter “20/week” it switches to weekly and sets amount to 20 On 8 February 2013 18:28, Bethany M. Soule [bsoule@beeminder.com](mailto:bsoule@beeminder.com) wrote: > Beeminder considers everything at day granularity, so the weekly vs > daily etc rate units are just a convenience. If it is something that > you think of in terms of how often you do it per day (e.g. servings of > vegetables) rather than how often per week (e.g. number of times you > eat out), you can switch the rate units and let us do the > multiplication for you. > > Bethany > > (and that is totally true of noisy roads, paul, but for non-noisy > roads, it is based on the rate of the road, which you do have control > over so _technically_…) > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Paul Fenwick [paul.j.fenwick@gmail.com](mailto:paul.j.fenwick@gmail.com) wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Alessandro Cuttin [a.f.cuttin@gmail.com](mailto:a.f.cuttin@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > It depends also on the width of your yellow brick road (on which you have no > > > control). > > > > Wait, we don’t have control over the YBR? I thought for noisy goals > > Beeminder assures us that if you’re on the good side of the YBR today, > > you’ll never be off the YBR tomorrow. So to get an extra-wide YBR you > > just make sure you’re perfect much perfect, and then have the biggest, > > most giant thanksgiving feast ever, and then weigh yourself > > immediately after midnight having drunk 2 litres of eggnog and singing > > “Call Me Maybe”… > > > > Or have I been gaming it wrong? > > > > – > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Akratics Anonymous” group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). > > For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/groups/opt\_out](https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out). > > – > [http://bethaknee.com](http://bethaknee.com) > [http://beeminder.com](http://beeminder.com) – Reminders with a sting > > – > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Akratics Anonymous” group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). > For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/groups/opt\_out](https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out). ---
**Author:** ![Ben\_Eills](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/ben_eills/32/692_2.png) [@Ben\_Eills](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/Ben_Eills)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/rate-units-daily-vs-weekly/1406/8 "2013-02-08T18:37:25Z")
A regex is worth a thousand words: \d+(/((day)|(week)|(month)))?$ On 8 February 2013 18:32, Ben Eills [ben@beneills.com](mailto:ben@beneills.com) wrote: > This conversation has reminded me: switching between rate units is > quite clumsy with the current interface. > > Perhaps: > > 1. Unit selection at goal creation screen > 2. Shorthand syntax to change rate from “Dial” box. e.g. If I enter > “20” it keeps current behavior, but if I enter “20/week” it switches > to weekly and sets amount to 20 > > On 8 February 2013 18:28, Bethany M. Soule [bsoule@beeminder.com](mailto:bsoule@beeminder.com) wrote: > > > Beeminder considers everything at day granularity, so the weekly vs > > daily etc rate units are just a convenience. If it is something that > > you think of in terms of how often you do it per day (e.g. servings of > > vegetables) rather than how often per week (e.g. number of times you > > eat out), you can switch the rate units and let us do the > > multiplication for you. > > > > Bethany > > > > (and that is totally true of noisy roads, paul, but for non-noisy > > roads, it is based on the rate of the road, which you do have control > > over so _technically_…) > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Paul Fenwick [paul.j.fenwick@gmail.com](mailto:paul.j.fenwick@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Alessandro Cuttin [a.f.cuttin@gmail.com](mailto:a.f.cuttin@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > > > It depends also on the width of your yellow brick road (on which you have no > > > > control). > > > > > > Wait, we don’t have control over the YBR? I thought for noisy goals > > > Beeminder assures us that if you’re on the good side of the YBR today, > > > you’ll never be off the YBR tomorrow. So to get an extra-wide YBR you > > > just make sure you’re perfect much perfect, and then have the biggest, > > > most giant thanksgiving feast ever, and then weigh yourself > > > immediately after midnight having drunk 2 litres of eggnog and singing > > > “Call Me Maybe”… > > > > > > Or have I been gaming it wrong? > > > > > > – > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Akratics Anonymous” group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). > > > For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/groups/opt\_out](https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out). > > > > – > > [http://bethaknee.com](http://bethaknee.com) > > [http://beeminder.com](http://beeminder.com) – Reminders with a sting > > > > – > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups “Akratics Anonymous” group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:akratics+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). > > For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/groups/opt\_out](https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out).