# Should Beeminder support cancelling bad goals?

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**Created:** [January 14, 2014, 8:57pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/should-beeminder-support-cancelling-bad-goals/1481 "2014-01-14T20:57:47Z")\
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**Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 8:57pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/should-beeminder-support-cancelling-bad-goals/1481/1 "2014-01-14T20:57:47Z")

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I’ve run into a similar problem before. I’ve found that my general  
“productive on personal (ie. non-work) things” goal is good, but it’s too  
broad. I can easily find enough productive things to do in order to avoid  
something particularly horrible (immigration paperwork, taxes, you get the  
idea). So I set up specific goals for those side projects, demanding a  
smaller amount of progress on them each week, and Beeminder ensures they  
keep moving forward.

That works well until the point when the goal is finished: the project is  
done, immigration package is sent off, etc. Then the goal is complete and  
no longer relevant, but there’s no real way to capture it in Beeminder.  
I’ve done a different solution than you describe, though. I added a massive  
data point, enough to finish the full year’s worth of the goal. Then it  
automatically archives itself.

There should be a better way to cancel the goal, but I agree it is exposing  
“weasel attack surface”, so to speak.

Braden

On Tue Jan 14 2014 at 3:52:28 PM, Jose [josediazseng@gmail.com](mailto:josediazseng@gmail.com) wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am a very happy user of Beeminder and have already reached some goals I  
> would not have managed otherwise. But today something happened I am not too  
> happy about. One of my goals was to read a programming book (and apply the  
> relevant things to my work). The first pages already left some bad taste  
> but I tried to force me to work through it by setting up a beeminder goal.  
> Now, at page 255 of 618, I cannot longer stand it. I could not even do it  
> if I got paid 150$ to do so.
> 
> I have already paid money to Beeminder and did not weasel out once, but  
> this time it’s different: I found out the goal isn’t worthwile and I am  
> better off investing my effort elsewhere. Therefore I submitted one week’s  
> worth of pages read and archived the goal to close it off, which does not  
> feel nice after all.
> 
> I know it may be a dangerous thing but wouldn’t it make sense to allow  
> cancelling goal immediately in exceptional cases? What’s your opinion?
> 
> José
> 
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**Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 8:52pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/should-beeminder-support-cancelling-bad-goals/1481/2 "2014-01-14T20:52:27Z")

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Hi,

I am a very happy user of Beeminder and have already reached some goals I  
would not have managed otherwise. But today something happened I am not too  
happy about. One of my goals was to read a programming book (and apply the  
relevant things to my work). The first pages already left some bad taste  
but I tried to force me to work through it by setting up a beeminder goal.  
Now, at page 255 of 618, I cannot longer stand it. I could not even do it  
if I got paid 150$ to do so.

I have already paid money to Beeminder and did not weasel out once, but  
this time it’s different: I found out the goal isn’t worthwile and I am  
better off investing my effort elsewhere. Therefore I submitted one week’s  
worth of pages read and archived the goal to close it off, which does not  
feel nice after all.

I know it may be a dangerous thing but wouldn’t it make sense to allow  
cancelling goal immediately in exceptional cases? What’s your opinion?

José

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**Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 9:56pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/should-beeminder-support-cancelling-bad-goals/1481/3 "2014-01-14T21:56:59Z")

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Nick Winter touched on this in “The Motivation Hacker”. He wrote: “If you  
find yourself where I was, wondering whether it’s okay to abandon a goal,  
then think thoroughly. The pain of having to finish a bad goal is often a  
fair price for the lesson on picking your goals. It’s better to strengthen  
the habit of finishing goals, good and bad, than to cultivate the habit of  
quitting when it gets hard.” This ties into the idea of success spirals.  
(Although he did abandon the goal he was writing about.)

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Jose [josediazseng@gmail.com](mailto:josediazseng@gmail.com) wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am a very happy user of Beeminder and have already reached some goals I  
> would not have managed otherwise. But today something happened I am not too  
> happy about. One of my goals was to read a programming book (and apply the  
> relevant things to my work). The first pages already left some bad taste  
> but I tried to force me to work through it by setting up a beeminder goal.  
> Now, at page 255 of 618, I cannot longer stand it. I could not even do it  
> if I got paid 150$ to do so.
> 
> I have already paid money to Beeminder and did not weasel out once, but  
> this time it’s different: I found out the goal isn’t worthwile and I am  
> better off investing my effort elsewhere. Therefore I submitted one week’s  
> worth of pages read and archived the goal to close it off, which does not  
> feel nice after all.
> 
> I know it may be a dangerous thing but wouldn’t it make sense to allow  
> cancelling goal immediately in exceptional cases? What’s your opinion?
> 
> José
> 
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**Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 10:05pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/should-beeminder-support-cancelling-bad-goals/1481/4 "2014-01-14T22:05:12Z")

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“The pain of having to finish a bad goal is often a fair price for the  
lesson on picking your goals.”  
That works well with Beeminder’s one-week akrasia horizon. When you  
realise that your goal is no longer good for you, adjust the finish  
date to be one week in the future. You keep working on that goal for a  
week and then it’s over. It provides a short lesson about picking  
goals carefully, doesn’t allow you to learn the habit of abandoning  
goals quickly, and it also gives you a few days to reconsider - a new  
end date will give you a change in perspective and you might find that  
you’re feeling regret or disappointment, which means the goal perhaps  
needs to be adjusted rather than abandoned.

On 15 January 2014 07:56, Adam Mesha [araizen@gmail.com](mailto:araizen@gmail.com) wrote:

> Nick Winter touched on this in “The Motivation Hacker”. He wrote: “If you  
> find yourself where I was, wondering whether it’s okay to abandon a goal,  
> then think thoroughly. The pain of having to finish a bad goal is often a  
> fair price for the lesson on picking your goals. It’s better to strengthen  
> the habit of finishing goals, good and bad, than to cultivate the habit of  
> quitting when it gets hard.” This ties into the idea of success spirals.  
> (Although he did abandon the goal he was writing about.)
> 
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Jose [josediazseng@gmail.com](mailto:josediazseng@gmail.com) wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I am a very happy user of Beeminder and have already reached some goals I  
> > would not have managed otherwise. But today something happened I am not too  
> > happy about. One of my goals was to read a programming book (and apply the  
> > relevant things to my work). The first pages already left some bad taste but  
> > I tried to force me to work through it by setting up a beeminder goal. Now,  
> > at page 255 of 618, I cannot longer stand it. I could not even do it if I  
> > got paid 150$ to do so.
> > 
> > I have already paid money to Beeminder and did not weasel out once, but  
> > this time it’s different: I found out the goal isn’t worthwile and I am  
> > better off investing my effort elsewhere. Therefore I submitted one week’s  
> > worth of pages read and archived the goal to close it off, which does not  
> > feel nice after all.
> > 
> > I know it may be a dangerous thing but wouldn’t it make sense to allow  
> > cancelling goal immediately in exceptional cases? What’s your opinion?
> > 
> > José
> > 
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**Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 10:50pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/should-beeminder-support-cancelling-bad-goals/1481/5 "2014-01-14T22:50:56Z")

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The way I feel is exactly the opposite from the OP. I often wish I were  
able to disable the archive+delete that’s available in the first week. I  
like that it’s there while I’m creating and setting up my goal (cause I  
sometimes tweak my goals into brokenness when I’m first setting them up, so  
deleting them is necessary), but once I’m sure that’s done, I wish I could  
click an “okay, now don’t let me rage-quit from here forward” button to  
stop me from giving up on the goal on day 6 if I get lazy.

Though, for goals that really get screwed up for some reason or another, or  
in the OP’s case, I would probably go crying to support. I wonder if they  
_should_ help, though. It’s not like we’re forced to keep the goals  
forever, just for another week. I wouldn’t go as far as Nick Winter’s  
“finish the goal” thing, but the week forced by the akrasia horizon seems  
like lesson enough. (But at the time, begging support would still be my  
go-to hehe).

I’ve also had the “uh-oh, this project is done but beeminder still wants me  
to do more hours” problem. We talked about it a little  
here: [Redirecting to Google Groups](https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/akratics/projects/akratics/Q_zG0xjQnWU/R00pAPAeLmgJ)

On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 5:05:12 PM UTC-5, Alys wrote:

> “The pain of having to finish a bad goal is often a fair price for the  
> lesson on picking your goals.”  
> That works well with Beeminder’s one-week akrasia horizon. When you  
> realise that your goal is no longer good for you, adjust the finish  
> date to be one week in the future. You keep working on that goal for a  
> week and then it’s over. It provides a short lesson about picking  
> goals carefully, doesn’t allow you to learn the habit of abandoning  
> goals quickly, and it also gives you a few days to reconsider - a new  
> end date will give you a change in perspective and you might find that  
> you’re feeling regret or disappointment, which means the goal perhaps  
> needs to be adjusted rather than abandoned.
> 
> On 15 January 2014 07:56, Adam Mesha \<[ara...@gmail.com](mailto:ara...@gmail.com) \<javascript:\>\>  
> wrote:
> 
> > Nick Winter touched on this in “The Motivation Hacker”. He wrote: “If  
> > you  
> > find yourself where I was, wondering whether it’s okay to abandon a  
> > goal,  
> > then think thoroughly. The pain of having to finish a bad goal is often  
> > a  
> > fair price for the lesson on picking your goals. It’s better to  
> > strengthen  
> > the habit of finishing goals, good and bad, than to cultivate the habit  
> > of  
> > quitting when it gets hard.” This ties into the idea of success spirals.  
> > (Although he did abandon the goal he was writing about.)
> > 
> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Jose \<[josedi...@gmail.com](mailto:josedi...@gmail.com)\<javascript:\>\>  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I am a very happy user of Beeminder and have already reached some goals  
> > > I  
> > > would not have managed otherwise. But today something happened I am not  
> > > too  
> > > happy about. One of my goals was to read a programming book (and apply  
> > > the  
> > > relevant things to my work). The first pages already left some bad  
> > > taste but  
> > > I tried to force me to work through it by setting up a beeminder goal.  
> > > Now,  
> > > at page 255 of 618, I cannot longer stand it. I could not even do it if  
> > > I  
> > > got paid 150$ to do so.
> > > 
> > > I have already paid money to Beeminder and did not weasel out once, but  
> > > this time it’s different: I found out the goal isn’t worthwile and I am  
> > > better off investing my effort elsewhere. Therefore I submitted one  
> > > week’s  
> > > worth of pages read and archived the goal to close it off, which does  
> > > not  
> > > feel nice after all.
> > > 
> > > I know it may be a dangerous thing but wouldn’t it make sense to allow  
> > > cancelling goal immediately in exceptional cases? What’s your opinion?
> > > 
> > > José
> > > 
> > > –  
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**Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 11:18pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/should-beeminder-support-cancelling-bad-goals/1481/6 "2014-01-14T23:18:04Z")

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Thank you all for your very considerate comments!

I also liked “The Motivation Hacker” a lot and in general I think Nick  
Winter is right about finishing even bad goals. It’s just that after  
punishing myself already for a week by sticking to the goal, I can say that  
I am not casually dropping it and I think I have learned a lesson, i.e. to  
at least skim a book next time before committing to set a goal for reading  
it, no matter what everybody else is saying about the book or how much I am  
interested in its subject.

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**Post date:** [January 15, 2014, 12:16am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/should-beeminder-support-cancelling-bad-goals/1481/7 "2014-01-15T00:16:50Z")

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Braden, I \<3 the “weasel attack surface” concept

Jose, a hack you might find worthwhile:

1. Adjust the goal date to just a week out, as Alys suggested, for all the  
reasons Alys outlined
2. Mentally rewrite the goal to “maximize the value extracted from this  
book in this last week” (much easier if its a time-per-day goal, not a  
pages-per-day goal)

When I was a kid and too poor to buy the technical books I wanted, it  
occurred to me that I only retain about 20% of a book’s specifics after a  
few months, so it would be much more efficient to  
replace “reading” with the functionally equivalent “process that uploads to  
my long-term memory approximately the same knowledge I would retain if I  
read every word of a book in order”. Then I would go to the bookstore and  
do that in the store. Now I read all books starting with the preface, ToC,  
and index (which leaks, with maximum efficiency, what the book considers  
most important, as well as how concepts map against the structure of the  
chapters… ymmv but being able to map conceptual relationships lowers the  
mental encoding energy for the concepts, so if you’re like me you can  
vacuum up knowledge faster by building the map of concept blobs and only  
THEN mastering the concepts… weird but true, though maybe dependent on  
high working memory (thus distraction-free focus)).

Then the last week then becomes a game, which might make it less of a  
punishment.

On Tuesday, January 14, 2014, Braden Shepherdson wrote:

> I’ve run into a similar problem before. I’ve found that my general  
> “productive on personal (ie. non-work) things” goal is good, but it’s too  
> broad. I can easily find enough productive things to do in order to avoid  
> something particularly horrible (immigration paperwork, taxes, you get the  
> idea). So I set up specific goals for those side projects, demanding a  
> smaller amount of progress on them each week, and Beeminder ensures they  
> keep moving forward.
> 
> That works well until the point when the goal is finished: the project is  
> done, immigration package is sent off, etc. Then the goal is complete and  
> no longer relevant, but there’s no real way to capture it in Beeminder.  
> I’ve done a different solution than you describe, though. I added a massive  
> data point, enough to finish the full year’s worth of the goal. Then it  
> automatically archives itself.
> 
> There should be a better way to cancel the goal, but I agree it is  
> exposing “weasel attack surface”, so to speak.
> 
> Braden
> 
> On Tue Jan 14 2014 at 3:52:28 PM, Jose \<[josediazseng@gmail.com](mailto:josediazseng@gmail.com)\<javascript:\_e({}, ‘cvml’, ‘josediazseng@gmail.com’);\>\>  
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I am a very happy user of Beeminder and have already reached some goals I  
> > would not have managed otherwise. But today something happened I am not too  
> > happy about. One of my goals was to read a programming book (and apply the  
> > relevant things to my work). The first pages already left some bad taste  
> > but I tried to force me to work through it by setting up a beeminder goal.  
> > Now, at page 255 of 618, I cannot longer stand it. I could not even do it  
> > if I got paid 150$ to do so.
> > 
> > I have already paid money to Beeminder and did not weasel out once, but  
> > this time it’s different: I found out the goal isn’t worthwile and I am  
> > better off investing my effort elsewhere. Therefore I submitted one week’s  
> > worth of pages read and archived the goal to close it off, which does not  
> > feel nice after all.
> > 
> > I know it may be a dangerous thing but wouldn’t it make sense to allow  
> > cancelling goal immediately in exceptional cases? What’s your opinion?
> > 
> > José
> > 
> > –  
> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups  
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**Post date:** [January 15, 2014, 2:40pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/should-beeminder-support-cancelling-bad-goals/1481/8 "2014-01-15T14:40:34Z")

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Michael, this sounds like a good approach, I will give it a try next time  
or even better do it before(!) creating a beeminder task of working through  
a book in depth.  
Am 15.01.2014 01:16 schrieb “Michael J.J. Tiffany” \<  
[michael.tiffany@gmail.com](mailto:michael.tiffany@gmail.com)\>:

> Braden, I \<3 the “weasel attack surface” concept
> 
> Jose, a hack you might find worthwhile:
> 
> 1. Adjust the goal date to just a week out, as Alys suggested, for all the  
> reasons Alys outlined
> 2. Mentally rewrite the goal to “maximize the value extracted from this  
> book in this last week” (much easier if its a time-per-day goal, not a  
> pages-per-day goal)
> 
> When I was a kid and too poor to buy the technical books I wanted, it  
> occurred to me that I only retain about 20% of a book’s specifics after a  
> few months, so it would be much more efficient to  
> replace “reading” with the functionally equivalent “process that uploads to  
> my long-term memory approximately the same knowledge I would retain if I  
> read every word of a book in order”. Then I would go to the bookstore and  
> do that in the store. Now I read all books starting with the preface, ToC,  
> and index (which leaks, with maximum efficiency, what the book considers  
> most important, as well as how concepts map against the structure of the  
> chapters… ymmv but being able to map conceptual relationships lowers the  
> mental encoding energy for the concepts, so if you’re like me you can  
> vacuum up knowledge faster by building the map of concept blobs and only  
> THEN mastering the concepts… weird but true, though maybe dependent on  
> high working memory (thus distraction-free focus)).
> 
> Then the last week then becomes a game, which might make it less of a  
> punishment.
> 
> On Tuesday, January 14, 2014, Braden Shepherdson wrote:
> 
> > I’ve run into a similar problem before. I’ve found that my general  
> > “productive on personal (ie. non-work) things” goal is good, but it’s too  
> > broad. I can easily find enough productive things to do in order to avoid  
> > something particularly horrible (immigration paperwork, taxes, you get the  
> > idea). So I set up specific goals for those side projects, demanding a  
> > smaller amount of progress on them each week, and Beeminder ensures they  
> > keep moving forward.
> > 
> > That works well until the point when the goal is finished: the project is  
> > done, immigration package is sent off, etc. Then the goal is complete and  
> > no longer relevant, but there’s no real way to capture it in Beeminder.  
> > I’ve done a different solution than you describe, though. I added a massive  
> > data point, enough to finish the full year’s worth of the goal. Then it  
> > automatically archives itself.
> > 
> > There should be a better way to cancel the goal, but I agree it is  
> > exposing “weasel attack surface”, so to speak.
> > 
> > Braden
> > 
> > On Tue Jan 14 2014 at 3:52:28 PM, Jose [josediazseng@gmail.com](mailto:josediazseng@gmail.com) wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I am a very happy user of Beeminder and have already reached some goals  
> > > I would not have managed otherwise. But today something happened I am not  
> > > too happy about. One of my goals was to read a programming book (and apply  
> > > the relevant things to my work). The first pages already left some bad  
> > > taste but I tried to force me to work through it by setting up a beeminder  
> > > goal. Now, at page 255 of 618, I cannot longer stand it. I could not even  
> > > do it if I got paid 150$ to do so.
> > > 
> > > I have already paid money to Beeminder and did not weasel out once, but  
> > > this time it’s different: I found out the goal isn’t worthwile and I am  
> > > better off investing my effort elsewhere. Therefore I submitted one week’s  
> > > worth of pages read and archived the goal to close it off, which does not  
> > > feel nice after all.
> > > 
> > > I know it may be a dangerous thing but wouldn’t it make sense to allow  
> > > cancelling goal immediately in exceptional cases? What’s your opinion?
> > > 
> > > José
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