# Snoozing is losing - losing $810!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Akrasia\ **Created:** [June 15, 2020, 6:22am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888 "2020-06-15T06:22:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 6:22am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/1 "2020-06-15T06:22:31Z")
Restarting my $810 [proj240](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/project-240-please-help-me-create-and-enforce-some-deadlines/6657) goal this week! This will be the third round - the first two were very successful and I got a ton of work done! BUT - last time I ended up snoozing till 6am, and for a few days I was staying up till 6am every night! Essentially, if snoozing is allowed, 6am is the “real” deadline, so an edge-skater like me will eventually push it right to the 6am edge. @dreev So, to prevent this from happening this week, I am adding a new rule - snoozing is losing! If I snooze even by 1 minute I lose! And - I have to finish all the work by 11pm each day! Hopefully putting this in writing on the forum will help me commit to this! ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 7:08am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/2 "2020-06-15T07:08:27Z")
I made a reminder for myself on my phone, look! ![Screenshot_20200615-000559__01](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/beeminder/original/2X/d/de8194d6d58dd9448bdd0dd92137d378e63b89cf.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![linux535](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/linux535/32/4914_2.png) [@linux535](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/linux535)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 4:15am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/3 "2020-06-19T04:15:08Z")
Wow this is one impressive goal! ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 4:15am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/4 "2020-06-19T04:15:30Z")
This is going well so far! I got everything done by 11 every day, and today I moved it a little earlier, so it’s due at 9! ![Screenshot_20200618-211241](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/beeminder/original/2X/0/0390b3fc67ee43366271abbcf881b76e1e5f4013.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/5 "2020-06-19T21:55:22Z")
Moved it back to 11 for today. I had hoped to make it by 9 today but I got a late start. I couldn’t sleep last night and then went back to sleep. I also have a physical therapy appointment and I’m running late for it so I probably won’t get home in time to finish by 9. I don’t consider this to be losing snoozing - but I’d like to hear people’s take on this @mary @dreev @narthur @phi @marcmarti @shanaqui @adamwolf and anyone else who wants to buzz in! (Related: [Accomplishing the goal but not the rate (aka when derailing might not be "fair")](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/accomplishing-the-goal-but-not-the-rate-aka-when-derailing-might-not-be-fair/6905) ) ---
**Author:** ![dreev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/dreev/32/4311_2.png) [@dreev](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/dreev)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/6 "2020-06-19T22:04:50Z")
I have to abdicate due to conflict of interest! PS: I just read it more closely and I think if I were allowed to adjudicate you _might_ have some wiggle room on not snoozing it past the deadline you originally committed to. If you’d wanted to rule that out it would’ve made sense to explicitly reaffirm the commitment when you moved the deadline to 9pm. Since you didn’t do that, there’s some reasonable doubt, maybe, I’m not sure… ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/7 "2020-06-19T22:10:57Z")
I’ve already made the call that it’s not losing snoozing, since the original intent was > [@zedmango](#): > > I have to finish all the work by 11pm each day! and I’m not going to change my mind on that. So you can freely opine secure in the knowledge that it won’t actually affect revenue. Besides, this is a good test case for the larger debate. ---
**Author:** ![marcmarti](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/marcmarti/32/4399_2.png) [@marcmarti](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/marcmarti)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/8 "2020-06-30T22:21:51Z")
Hey! I have not properly read your comment with enough context to understand it until now, but I think you have already have found a solution 😉 ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/9 "2020-06-30T23:27:20Z")
Not totally sure that I have ☹ ---
**Author:** ![marcmarti](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/marcmarti/32/4399_2.png) [@marcmarti](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/marcmarti)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/10 "2020-07-05T18:43:59Z")
How so? “I’ve already made the call that it’s not losing snoozing” ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2020, 6:48pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/11 "2020-07-05T18:48:31Z")
I mean I’m not sure I have a general solution to the problem of making myself do things at specified times. ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/12 "2020-07-05T18:54:08Z")
Like if I don’t snooze, I pre-check. If I don’t do it on this goal, I do it on others. I don’t know how to fix this!!! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![marcmarti](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/marcmarti/32/4399_2.png) [@marcmarti](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/marcmarti)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2020, 6:57pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/13 "2020-07-05T18:57:40Z")
> [@zedmango](#): > > Like if I don’t snooze What is pre-checking? ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/14 "2020-07-05T18:59:36Z")
Like if I have a deadline at 2:30, I’ll check the goal off at 2:30 but don’t do it till later ☹ ---
**Author:** ![marcmarti](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/marcmarti/32/4399_2.png) [@marcmarti](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/marcmarti)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 8:54am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/15 "2020-07-07T08:54:11Z")
I believe that you are overthinking everything. Set a realistic, possible, doable deadline 99+% of the time, whatever suits you, create your rules. Then stick to it, and pay if you derail. ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/16 "2020-07-07T20:29:14Z")
> [@marcmarti](#): > > Set a realistic, possible, doable deadline 99+% of the time 😆 You lost me there! If I could set a deadline and stick to it 99% of the time I would be a very different person and I wouldn’t need Beeminder! ---
**Author:** ![lanthala](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lanthala](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/lanthala)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/17 "2020-07-08T18:58:12Z")
Oh man I do this exact thing (pre-checking) on a couple of my goals, and I can’t decide if it’s A Problem 😬 I don’t think it’s really a Problem for my toothbrushing goal (I check it off before I go upstairs for bed, because as Beeminder support can testify, I never ever remember to check it off once I’m upstairs!) because if I pre-check but don’t actually brush my teeth, I make sure I derail the next day. It’s also a pretty low priority goal 😛 But for my “bedtime routine” goal, the actual time of the deadline is important, and I keep skating the edge by checking it off and THEN doing my routine. I started doing it when my daughter started taking hours to go to sleep, so I legit didn’t have time to do the whole routine by 9:30pm, but the habit has stuck even on nights when she falls asleep quickly, and even after I shifted the deadline to 10pm 😕 I’m thinking maybe I should just lower the slope to something where I can meet the original deadline even with the more-than-occasional “bad night”. ---
**Author:** ![adamwolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/adamwolf/32/484_2.png) [@adamwolf](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/adamwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 8:06pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/snoozing-is-losing-losing-810/6888/18 "2020-07-08T20:06:10Z")
If it’s not a problem now, and it becomes a problem in the future, you’ll regret not taking the smidgen of effort to fix up the deadline before it became a problem! 🙂