# Systems Over Goals

**URL:** <https://forum.beeminder.com/t/systems-over-goals/731>\
**Category:** Akrasia\
**Created:** [April 28, 2015, 9:46pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/systems-over-goals/731 "2015-04-28T21:46:36Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 2\
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**Author:** ![dreev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/dreev/32/4311_2.png) [@dreev](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/dreev)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 9:46pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/systems-over-goals/731/1 "2015-04-28T21:46:36Z")

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Here’s something that sounds like it’s anti-Beeminder (“goals are for losers”, to quote Scott Adams of Dilbert fame) but is in fact the most Beemindery thing ever:

[http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/nov/07/systems-better-than--goals-oliver-burkeman](http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/nov/07/systems-better-than--goals-oliver-burkeman)

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**Author:** ![drtall](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/drtall/32/1341_2.png) [@drtall](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/drtall)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 10:31pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/systems-over-goals/731/2 "2015-04-28T22:31:37Z")

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Hah yes. I take the article’s use of “goal” to mean milestone-based goals like “publish my thesis” as opposed to Beeminder goals like “write one page of my thesis”. Beeminder is my system!