# What is the most puzzling thing about Beeminder for non-users?

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**Created:** [March 1, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/what-is-the-most-puzzling-thing-about-beeminder-for-non-users/5039 "2019-03-01T22:55:22Z")\
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**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/what-is-the-most-puzzling-thing-about-beeminder-for-non-users/5039/1 "2019-03-01T22:55:22Z")

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> The second most puzzling thing about Beeminder, for those who don’t use it, is why people don’t lie to avoid paying us. Here’s why!

From this 2013 blog post:

> **[Combatting Cheating](https://blog.beeminder.com/cheating/)**
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> The second most puzzling thing about Beeminder, for those who don’t use it, is why people don’t lie to avoid paying us. Here’s why! Beeminder is foremost a Quantified Self tool, so it feels really wrong and counterproductive to falsify your data....

So - what was the most puzzling thing about Beeminder for non-users in 2013?

And are the two most puzzling things the same now?

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**Author:** ![dreev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/dreev/32/4311_2.png) [@dreev](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/dreev)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/what-is-the-most-puzzling-thing-about-beeminder-for-non-users/5039/2 "2019-03-01T23:06:32Z")

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I’m not totally sure what I had in mind there! I think any of these would be top contenders:

1. “Why would anyone do that in the first place?”
2. “Where does the money go?”
3. “Are we actually serious with this in(s)anity?”
4. “How can we possibly stay in business when our incentives are for our [users to fail](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/derailing-is-not-failing-or-beeminder-revenue-proportional-to-user-awesomeness/5009)?”