# Whittle-down goal rate is too slow for end date **URL:** \ **Category:** Bugabee\ **Created:** [May 6, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689 "2020-05-06T18:24:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/1 "2020-05-06T18:24:01Z")
@adamwolf @dreev @bee So my whittle-down goal proj240 is currently telling me to do 17 a day, but by my calculations this will leave me one day late. It will keep me on the road, hugging the top line, but if I stay on the top line I won’t hit the target. Here’s a pic: ![Screenshot_20200506-111844](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/beeminder/original/2X/0/07194065ee19240fd7088bb429385cdcf0d07452.jpeg) By my count I have 8 days left to enter data - today is 5/6 and the end date is 5/13. And I have 154 left. So if I enter 17 a day each day I’ll be left with 154 - 8\*17 = 18 still to do on the end date! With 154 left to do over 8 days the rate should be 19, right? Possibly related: > [@Derailment at end of day on goal date?](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/derailment-at-end-of-day-on-goal-date/655): > > I have a goal that will end tonight, but today is also an eep day. The Android app says I will be fine, with 4 hours till end of goal (this is also what I expect), but I just checked my goal list and it says I will derail in 4 hours. There is basically the same question here: [A few UI bugs around Goal Day + Eep](http://forum.beeminder.com/t/a-few-ui-bugs-around-goal-day-eep/571), but it doesn’t seem to have any official answer, hence I am bugging you now for it. At any point it is very confusing and so I will be needing an official answer for the newbee guide, [T…](http://forum.beeminder.com/t/tomjens-mega-newbee-guide/643) > [@Target Oddities](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/target-oddities/3633): > > I think this started at the same time the target appeared on the graph. The number of steps I need to get has gone negative and continues to go farther negative as I walk. The safety buffer timer continues to tick down, in spite of the fact that I am exceeding my goal every day. > [@A few UI bugs around Goal Day + Eep](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/a-few-ui-bugs-around-goal-day-eep/571): > > My goal [https://www.beeminder.com/drtall/goals/gmailzero](https://www.beeminder.com/drtall/goals/gmailzero) is set to end today, but it is also an eep day. I’m seeing mixed messages as to what will happen tonight if I don’t archive any emails: I got an eep day email “drtall/gmailzero on 03/07 (“Emergency” Day!) at $5”. Website shows [https://www.dropbox.com/s/bnz2ehg40ot5l9a/Screenshot%202015-03-07%2012.19.44.png?dl=0](https://www.dropbox.com/s/bnz2ehg40ot5l9a/Screenshot%202015-03-07%2012.19.44.png?dl=0) . Note “11 hours until derailment” combined with the smiley face icon. Android app shows “11h til goal date” with a green icon. … ---
**Author:** ![phi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/phi/32/2586_2.png) [@phi](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/phi)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/2 "2020-05-06T18:34:46Z")
Semi helpful advice: My recommended solution to everything is to turn it into a zero-width road 😅 ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/3 "2020-05-06T18:41:31Z")
I tried that before but it was too buggy to work. But maybe now the bugs have been fixed? I’ll try again. ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 6:44pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/4 "2020-05-06T18:44:40Z")
Tried again, and it derailed me, so now I have 2 flat days. I’ll have to ask support for help ![Screenshot_20200506-114355](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/beeminder/original/2X/e/e9166353a836d0e40693d7aa2b162de82c041d0b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![shanaqui](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/shanaqui/32/3513_2.png) [@shanaqui](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/shanaqui)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/5 "2020-05-06T18:47:44Z")
Yeah, this happened due to lanewidth, so the answer is to get into the center of the road (which is the edge of the road with no lanes) and then flip it over, for anyone else who might be wondering! ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/6 "2020-05-06T18:50:30Z")
Flip it over? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![shanaqui](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/shanaqui/32/3513_2.png) [@shanaqui](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/shanaqui)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 6:51pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/7 "2020-05-06T18:51:31Z")
As in, flip it to a zero-width road. ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 7:08pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/8 "2020-05-06T19:08:59Z")
Oh I see. So if it says at least 1 day of buffer (orange) then it’s ok to “flip”? ---
**Author:** ![shanaqui](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/shanaqui/32/3513_2.png) [@shanaqui](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/shanaqui)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/9 "2020-05-06T19:10:46Z")
If you’re on the dashed orange line then you should be safe – I don’t think that always corresponds to a day of buffer. ---
**Author:** ![dreev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/dreev/32/4311_2.png) [@dreev](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/dreev)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/10 "2020-05-06T19:44:22Z")
Thanks so much for the bug report and the support in working around this messy transition! Just wanted to mention that we’re actively working on stuff related to exactly this and the messy workarounds will be a thing of the past soon! In the meantime, like @shanaqui says, if you wait till you’re in the blue before shrinking your road width to zero (which is great to do; it is the future!) all should be good. Keep letting us know if not! ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 7:46pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/11 "2020-05-06T19:46:26Z")
In the blue? I thought you just had to be in the orange… ---
**Author:** ![dreev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/dreev/32/4311_2.png) [@dreev](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/dreev)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/12 "2020-05-06T19:53:45Z")
Ah, sorry, it’s more complicated (for now! again, the beauty of YBHP is to wipe out this kind of complexity): The derailment condition is “were you in the red yesterday”. If that becomes true from changing either the road or past data, you insta-derail. So I guess it doesn’t matter what color today’s dot is. Before shrinking the road, make sure _yesterday’s_ dot is in the blue. Thanks for clarifying that! And again, we’re working on getting everyone transitioned to YBHP where you won’t have to think about that. And also-again, if you do convert your road to YBHP and leave it that way you should also be free of this kind of confusion, even now. ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/13 "2020-05-06T20:05:00Z")
> [@dreev](#): > > Before shrinking the road, make sure _yesterday’s_ dot is in the blue. If we could do that, we wouldn’t need Beeminder - I’m too akratic and too much of an edge-skater for that. ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/14 "2020-05-06T22:21:49Z")
> [@zedmango](#): > > Tried again, and it derailed me, so now I have 2 flat days. I’ll have to ask support for help So the good people at support helped me out and my road is now a straight line going from where I am now to the endpoint, and it says 20/day. ![Screenshot_20200506-151743](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/beeminder/original/2X/c/c18a252cee605c2120bb21d3e209353d3d24492e.jpeg) Look @dreev @phi, now that it’s YBHP you can really see how far behind I was despite staying on the road! I better start picking up the pace or I’ll lose $810! 😮 I have to do 5 hours of work (20 units) in the next 8.5 hours! ---
**Author:** ![dreev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/dreev/32/4311_2.png) [@dreev](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/dreev)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 10:27pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/15 "2020-05-06T22:27:51Z")
I should clarify that we’re ridiculously fair-minded about this sort of thing and if this YBHP transition threw you off, just say so now and we’ll make sure the yellow brick road is adjusted to how you’d have intended it all along, etc. This is an exploding offer! No waiting till your next derailment to decide that in retrospect the YBHP thing threw you off! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/16 "2020-05-06T22:30:58Z")
Lol, this is my official confirmation that the road is how I wanted it now - I’m not gonna weasel with this much at stake! Hope you don’t think I’d do that! I just hope I don’t run into any more YBHP bugs! Hopefully everything will work perfectly now. ---
**Author:** ![dreev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/dreev/32/4311_2.png) [@dreev](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/dreev)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/17 "2020-05-06T22:41:50Z")
> [@zedmango](#): > > Hope you don’t think I’d do that! Ha, no, but that wouldn’t necessarily be all that weaselly if there’d been ambiguity lingering about the road fix-up. Hence the explicit confirmation that it’s now all fixed up! > [@zedmango](#): > > I just hope I don’t run into any more YBHP bugs! We’re swatting those like, um, bugs lately; especially helpful right now to hear about even the most ambiguous/questionable possible bugs on YBHP graphs. ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/18 "2020-05-06T22:54:29Z")
@dreev, am I right in thinking that non-YHBP whittle-down goals need to be set with an end date one day earlier than the actual end date, or you’d run into this problem where you edge-skated the whole way and had twice as much to do on the final day? ---
**Author:** ![dreev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.beeminder.com/dreev/32/4311_2.png) [@dreev](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/dreev)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/19 "2020-05-06T22:56:44Z")
> [@zedmango](#): > > am I right in thinking that non-YHBP whittle-down goals need […] That sounds right. Non-YBHP goals delenda est! PS: You wouldn’t have to do twice as much on the last day though. It would just consider you successful for staying on the road till the end even though you didn’t hit your explicit target. So, yeah, non-YBHP goals delenda extra est! ---
**Author:** ![zedmango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c67d28/32.png) [@zedmango](https://forum.beeminder.com/u/zedmango)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2020, 9:13am UTC](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689/20 "2020-05-07T09:13:23Z")
Ok @dreev I think I found another bug! ![Screenshot_20200507-021058](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/beeminder/original/2X/f/f73e82403597184c78693c50301c0ac9d0fb9b1c.jpeg) It’s telling me I have to do 19 tomorrow - but I have 134 left and 7 days to do it in. The actual rate is 19 and a seventh, which should get rounded up to 20. [Next page](https://forum.beeminder.com/t/whittle-down-goal-rate-is-too-slow-for-end-date/6689.md?page=2)