aherk!

Hallo Akratics,

just came across http://aherk.com, another site providing a comittment device.
Sounds interesting.

Here’s a brief description: http://marker.to/OedJPM

Alex

Love it! I just blackmailed myself (to get the Beeminder API published
in January) with a gay (literally) photo of myself.
(It’s not NSFW or anything; in fact, my incentives are now actually to
cause it to get released, just to see how that part works! I guess it
will show up on my facebook page: facebook.com/dreev )

Here are some other commitment device competitors I know of:

It’s funny how I once thought of it as worrisome to see other startups
pursuing our idea. It’s so clearly the opposite of worrisome! The more
the merrier! All these startups are helping each other get the public
exposed to commitment devices.

It’s like my brother who has a sushi restaurant in Peoria, IL –
hapfish.com – with one primary competitor in town. Since most people
in town haven’t even tried sushi, most of the marketing that my
brother’s competitor does is just creating new sushi eaters, some of
whom will then eat at my brother’s restaurant. That effect dwarfs any
actual customer stealing that the competitor may do.

With Beeminder and StickK and now Aherk and others, it’s like that but
even more so. 99% of the population hasn’t heard of a single one of
us!

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 14:10, Alexander Schwarz miro23@gmail.com wrote:

Hallo Akratics,

just came across http://aherk.com, another site providing a comittment device.
Sounds interesting.

Here’s a brief description: http://marker.to/OedJPM

Alex


http://dreev.es – search://"Daniel Reeves"
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com

On Dec 30, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Daniel Reeves wrote:

It’s like my brother who has a sushi restaurant in Peoria, IL –
hapfish.com – with one primary competitor in town. Since most people
in town haven’t even tried sushi, most of the marketing that my
brother’s competitor does is just creating new sushi eaters, some of
whom will then eat at my brother’s restaurant. That effect dwarfs any
actual customer stealing that the competitor may do.

If you are correct, and if this can be documented convincingly, it would be worthy of an article in one of the best economic journals. It’s worth thinking about how to know whether you’re right or not. For example, maybe there’s just an upward trend in interest in sushi in Peoria, independent of any of the marketing being done. How can we distinguish this from your story? And where could we find data on other such examples to see if we can really find a pattern?

Indeed, part of why I joined Yahoo was to gain a better understanding of what advertising really does. Unfortunately, none of our advertisers at Yahoo are small companies, but I’m hoping to change that.

An old joke is that law is the only business where competition makes you better off. If there’s only one lawyer in town, then there’s not much business. But once you have a second lawyer, then there’s somebody to litigate against!

David


My home page: http://www.davidreiley.com

Nice! Let’s move the part of this that’s not specific to commitment
devices to another forum, namely my quasi-exclusive improvetheworld
list.

On topic for the akratics list, Kevin Lochner just pointed out that
Aherk is differentiating themselves from (I’ll flatter myself and say)
Beeminder with “No boring graphics and calculation”.

But that means we’re dividing up the demographics nicely. If they’re
after facebook users with embarrassing photos who are intimidated by
graphs and numbers, we’re pretty much after the complement of that. :slight_smile:

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 15:27, David Reiley david@davidreiley.com wrote:

On Dec 30, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Daniel Reeves wrote:

It’s like my brother who has a sushi restaurant in Peoria, IL –
hapfish.com – with one primary competitor in town. Since most people
in town haven’t even tried sushi, most of the marketing that my
brother’s competitor does is just creating new sushi eaters, some of
whom will then eat at my brother’s restaurant. That effect dwarfs any
actual customer stealing that the competitor may do.

If you are correct, and if this can be documented convincingly, it would be
worthy of an article in one of the best economic journals. It’s worth
thinking about how to know whether you’re right or not. For example, maybe
there’s just an upward trend in interest in sushi in Peoria, independent of
any of the marketing being done. How can we distinguish this from your
story? And where could we find data on other such examples to see if we
can really find a pattern?

Indeed, part of why I joined Yahoo was to gain a better understanding of
what advertising really does. Unfortunately, none of our advertisers at
Yahoo are small companies, but I’m hoping to change that.

An old joke is that law is the only business where competition makes you
better off. If there’s only one lawyer in town, then there’s not much
business. But once you have a second lawyer, then there’s somebody to
litigate against!

David


My home page: http://www.davidreiley.com


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com

Well, and Beeminder definitely has the better name. I don’t know about
you but “aherk” makes me think of that sound you make when you throw
up in your mouth a little bit.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com wrote:

Nice! Let’s move the part of this that’s not specific to commitment
devices to another forum, namely my quasi-exclusive improvetheworld
list.

On topic for the akratics list, Kevin Lochner just pointed out that
Aherk is differentiating themselves from (I’ll flatter myself and say)
Beeminder with “No boring graphics and calculation”.

But that means we’re dividing up the demographics nicely. If they’re
after facebook users with embarrassing photos who are intimidated by
graphs and numbers, we’re pretty much after the complement of that. :slight_smile:

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 15:27, David Reiley david@davidreiley.com wrote:

On Dec 30, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Daniel Reeves wrote:

It’s like my brother who has a sushi restaurant in Peoria, IL –
hapfish.com – with one primary competitor in town. Since most people
in town haven’t even tried sushi, most of the marketing that my
brother’s competitor does is just creating new sushi eaters, some of
whom will then eat at my brother’s restaurant. That effect dwarfs any
actual customer stealing that the competitor may do.

If you are correct, and if this can be documented convincingly, it would be
worthy of an article in one of the best economic journals. It’s worth
thinking about how to know whether you’re right or not. For example, maybe
there’s just an upward trend in interest in sushi in Peoria, independent of
any of the marketing being done. How can we distinguish this from your
story? And where could we find data on other such examples to see if we
can really find a pattern?

Indeed, part of why I joined Yahoo was to gain a better understanding of
what advertising really does. Unfortunately, none of our advertisers at
Yahoo are small companies, but I’m hoping to change that.

An old joke is that law is the only business where competition makes you
better off. If there’s only one lawyer in town, then there’s not much
business. But once you have a second lawyer, then there’s somebody to
litigate against!

David


My home page: http://www.davidreiley.com


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com

I agree with Dan - I think the world divides into list/data/graph/diagram lovers and haters - and Beeminder users are defo in the former group. Test is - do you reach for your pencil and note pad to explain or record something? …yes that’s me too.
Beeminding into 2012!

Irene Randall
UK Independent Creative Memories Consultant
07812 141015
www.creative memories.co.uk
Sent from my iPad

On 31 Dec 2011, at 02:26, Isaac Schankler eyesack@gmail.com wrote:

Well, and Beeminder definitely has the better name. I don’t know about
you but “aherk” makes me think of that sound you make when you throw
up in your mouth a little bit.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com wrote:

Nice! Let’s move the part of this that’s not specific to commitment
devices to another forum, namely my quasi-exclusive improvetheworld
list.

On topic for the akratics list, Kevin Lochner just pointed out that
Aherk is differentiating themselves from (I’ll flatter myself and say)
Beeminder with “No boring graphics and calculation”.

But that means we’re dividing up the demographics nicely. If they’re
after facebook users with embarrassing photos who are intimidated by
graphs and numbers, we’re pretty much after the complement of that. :slight_smile:

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 15:27, David Reiley david@davidreiley.com wrote:

On Dec 30, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Daniel Reeves wrote:

It’s like my brother who has a sushi restaurant in Peoria, IL –
hapfish.com – with one primary competitor in town. Since most people
in town haven’t even tried sushi, most of the marketing that my
brother’s competitor does is just creating new sushi eaters, some of
whom will then eat at my brother’s restaurant. That effect dwarfs any
actual customer stealing that the competitor may do.

If you are correct, and if this can be documented convincingly, it would be
worthy of an article in one of the best economic journals. It’s worth
thinking about how to know whether you’re right or not. For example, maybe
there’s just an upward trend in interest in sushi in Peoria, independent of
any of the marketing being done. How can we distinguish this from your
story? And where could we find data on other such examples to see if we
can really find a pattern?

Indeed, part of why I joined Yahoo was to gain a better understanding of
what advertising really does. Unfortunately, none of our advertisers at
Yahoo are small companies, but I’m hoping to change that.

An old joke is that law is the only business where competition makes you
better off. If there’s only one lawyer in town, then there’s not much
business. But once you have a second lawyer, then there’s somebody to
litigate against!

David


My home page: http://www.davidreiley.com


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com

Hey Akratics, being akratic we’re now scrambling for our “emergency
blog post” due in less than 3 hours.
We’re going with, basically, this email thread.
Draft: http://yootles.com/expost/competitors

And if you’re reading this after midnight NYC time on Saturday night,
then head straight to
http://blog.beeminder.com/competitors

Thanks so much for making this all possible!

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 17:42, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com wrote:

Nice! Let’s move the part of this that’s not specific to commitment
devices to another forum, namely my quasi-exclusive improvetheworld
list.

On topic for the akratics list, Kevin Lochner just pointed out that
Aherk is differentiating themselves from (I’ll flatter myself and say)
Beeminder with “No boring graphics and calculation”.

But that means we’re dividing up the demographics nicely. If they’re
after facebook users with embarrassing photos who are intimidated by
graphs and numbers, we’re pretty much after the complement of that. :slight_smile:

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 15:27, David Reiley david@davidreiley.com wrote:

On Dec 30, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Daniel Reeves wrote:

It’s like my brother who has a sushi restaurant in Peoria, IL –
hapfish.com – with one primary competitor in town. Since most people
in town haven’t even tried sushi, most of the marketing that my
brother’s competitor does is just creating new sushi eaters, some of
whom will then eat at my brother’s restaurant. That effect dwarfs any
actual customer stealing that the competitor may do.

If you are correct, and if this can be documented convincingly, it would be
worthy of an article in one of the best economic journals. It’s worth
thinking about how to know whether you’re right or not. For example, maybe
there’s just an upward trend in interest in sushi in Peoria, independent of
any of the marketing being done. How can we distinguish this from your
story? And where could we find data on other such examples to see if we
can really find a pattern?

Indeed, part of why I joined Yahoo was to gain a better understanding of
what advertising really does. Unfortunately, none of our advertisers at
Yahoo are small companies, but I’m hoping to change that.

An old joke is that law is the only business where competition makes you
better off. If there’s only one lawyer in town, then there’s not much
business. But once you have a second lawyer, then there’s somebody to
litigate against!

David


My home page: http://www.davidreiley.com


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com