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Beeminding reducing a thing you don't really want to reduce but probably should


#2

By about paragraph five, I was asking myself approximately the same question you got from your last therapist. Do you have an answer for that? Maybe pinning down your motivation to reduce will lead you to a method to reduce?

If the goal isn’t so much to buy fewer books or get rid of books but to get through more of books, I’ve listened to audio books from the library to accomplish that. I feel like it generally takes me longer to listen to a book than to read it. However, I can listen to a book during times when I can’t read a book, such as while cooking, cleaning, or driving. This has the added benefit of making me less annoyed about having to do these activities.


#3

Mostly because always having new books means I’m not getting round to books I bought way back in (checks oldest) 2011. I want to, but there’s always something new and shiny. But I’m acquiring new shinies… not faster than I can read them, but definitely faster than I am reading them (due to getting books from other sources too, like publishers, and the fact that I enjoy rereading books).

Also, there is something unpleasant about the bald fact that I find it difficult not to buy books. It feels like a personal failing, I guess, rather than a neutral thing – lack of self-control, even if in just one area of my life. (But then I wonder if I’m making too much of an unequivocal virtue of self-control.)

(Man, I love the way Beeminder forum folks can ask the right questions to make one think things through, though. :smiley:)


#4

I cured my constant book buying habit with a rule that I had to read two books to buy one. Reading library books is an easy “cheat” but it got me in the habit of reading library books instead of buying them, so actually it worked perfectly.


#5

I find that one so hard to stick to. I guess that’s partially because right now I’m spending a lot of time in Belgium, so when I do hit an English-language bookshop in Brussels or I’m on a trip home, I want to be able to splurge! But maybe if I “save up”… hmmm…


#6

I’m going to third the “not really a problem” people here – it’s true that you’re not reading everything, but if you buy fewer books you’re ALSO not reading everything, so is there really a strong distinction there (given that you find buying books a net positive, regardless of the reading)? I mean, I say this as someone with an entire bookcase of books I haven’t read yet, so it’s possible I’m biased, but as long as you have the money and space, there is no actual moral virtue in reading all the books you own. No one’s life will be the worse for it.

If it’s the “accumulating faster than you can read them” problem that has you worried, I’d suggest making some kind of goal to regularly go through your unread books and weed out the ones you’re no longer interested in reading. Give them to a good home – do you have friends with similar tastes? the local Friends of the Library? A literacy program? – and let go of the fact that once, in the past, you wanted to read it. We aren’t, fortunately, obligated to complete every commitment our past self made, and I can’t imagine a sadder waste of time than reading a book you’re not really excited about instead of one of the dozens you ARE excited about. (If it were me, I would make a “one in, one out” rule, but with no requirement to have READ the one you get rid of. That way, at least your total stack would stay constant.)


#7

Similarly: if, of all your options, you prefer reading the things you currently find yourself reading, why do you want to read the things that you don’t want to read?

There’s nothing morally superior about reading a book that one has owned a long time, rather than a new purchase. It doesn’t sound like you enjoy reading these less-shiny books more than you enjoy reading the books that currently excite you.

Do you want to find more time for reading, generally, in your life, so that your books, generally, get more use? A reading-time goal might be a good push. Do you feel like you are in an intellectual rut and want to increase the breadth of your reading? Gamifying it might help (I like the Popsugar Reading Challenge). Do you want to have fewer books in your house? Ianthala’s suggestion to give away unread books sounds great to me – to the library, to friends, maybe even see if there’s a local shelter that wants books.

But if you don’t really want to reduce this thing, and four of us now don’t see any reason that you should… I think you should make a fort out of books to completely surround your bed.


#8

Umberto Eco said that the value of a library is in the number of unread books it contains…


#9

Update: I have stopped all my reducing-my-backlog goals and instead made reading-more-in-general goals, with plenty of flexibility for reading whatever I like. Also, after some hesitation, I decided to stop beeminding (and Habitica tracking) how many books I’m reading at once, which I’ve mentioned in another thread. I mean, the reason I was doing that is if I leave a book aside for too long, I might forget what it’s about and have to start again! Well… who cares?! As long as I’m having fun. And I am: reading is always fun for me as long as I don’t start throwing all these rules at it. Things start falling apart when I do.

Thanks for helping me think this through, all! :smiley:


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#10

I’ve been thinking about this, and I realized that KonMari is what really completely fixed my related issues.

I also want to clarify that I abandoned the read-two-to-buy-one rule after it had done its job to change my habits.


#11

Marie Kondo is amazing. Her book helped me get rid of 90% of the stuff I’d been having trouble tossing for years. I really liked her suggestion to say thank you to the objects in your life so you can let them go.


#12

Sounds like you’ve resolved this issue - but FWIW I would consider it a personal failing if I didn’t find it difficult to avoid buying books!


#13

I guess it depends on the level of compulsion you feel. It can be a physical effort to restrain obsessive-compulsive urges. I’m not quite there with my relationship with books (or anything, lately, thank goodness), but knowing I have that tendency, self-control is like a muscle I have to keep toned ready to grab hold of compulsive behaviours before they take root!


#14

I think that itself can be a compulsive behavior though.


#15

Well that gets a bit endlessly circular (if being careful about my compulsions becomes a compulsion, then I have to be careful not to get a compulsion about my compulsions, and then I need to be careful not to get a compulsion about having a compulsion about having compulsions…). The fact is, if I don’t keep an eye on my compulsive behaviours, they will cause me harm. Better to spend some time overthinking things on the internet now and then than get stuck in a self-reinforcing loop of more harmful compulsions. :smiley:


#16

Yeah, balance is key. Have you found Beeminder helpful in dealing with OCD about other things?

Maybe a better way of putting what I said earlier would be that the obsessive thoughts and the compulsive actions are interrelated and cyclical, at least in my experience dealing with these kind of issues… hard to tell sometimes whether it’s the compulsion that’s the problem, or if it’s my obsession about the compulsion that’s making it worse than it really is.


#17

Yep, I Beemind some of my anxiety-stuff and OCD actions, it’s working preeeetty well. Starting to ratchet some of my allowances-per-week down and making some progress, which is nice.


#18

like a certain number of checks or how does it work?

I’m very interested in hearing how you beemind anxiety.


#19

Yep! I did a whole post about it in this thread. I have a couple of other do-less goals along the same lines for various compulsive actions. I’m down to being allowed to ask for reassurance twice per week from five when I started the goal, and haven’t derailed once yet – this is one of those cases where the financial threat worked really well.

(Biting the skin around my nails is one I’m having more difficulty with. Brain: “Argh it’s a hangnail, I’m going to die!”)


#20

I only got rid of about half my stuff, but I was surprised by how much it improved my relationship with stuff.


#21

I used to experience similar compulsion but with video games. Too many potentially interesting games yet too little time allocated to play them.

The existence of r/patientgamers verifies that I’m not the only one with the issue. Though I do find my attempt at tackling the issue excellent opportunities to hone my skills at CBT and managing my thoughts and impulses in general.

And guilt…that sucks too.