Beeminding while incommunicado

Fair enough. I’m only mildly akratic about the daily workout, and the
pedometer is always way above the curve on this trip. Which is to say I was
concerned about derailing and temporary flat spots, not with keeping myself
on the tasks.

I’ll schedule flat spots and fix them on my return.

Braden

On Wed Jul 16 2014 at 10:46:34 AM, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com
wrote:

This is yet another thing that the Generalized Road Dial can solve,
like so: schedule a flat spot for the trip, then enter your data
retroactively when you return (up to you whether you need a meta goal
like Jeff suggests to make sure that happens), then retroactively
remove the flat spot. Until the generalized road dial is actually
implemented, do the “retroactively remove the flat spot” step by
emailing support. I know you all love us and feel bad taking up our
time with support requests but it’s actually a quite valuable kick in
the pants for us to get things like the generalized road dial (and
especially generalized midnight!) implemented. Not to mention helping
us gauge the demand for such things.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jeff Alexander
analyticphilosophy@gmail.com wrote:

If it is important for you to have a similar motivational structure
while on
this trip, here is one suggestion:

Set up a contract such that you will pay X dollars (held in escrow so you
cannot weasel) if you do not provide verification of goal completion
within
a day or two of returning from your trip, then keep a verifiable record
while you’re away – e.g., video of each workout, or corroboration by the
others who were on the trip if they would be willing to do that for you.

I’m not sure whether you can do this with the existing Beeminder
infrastructure, or if the contract would be through StickK or similar.

But here’s what a Beeminder solution might look like, according to my
admittedly limited knowledge of non-basic beeminding:

  1. Set current goals to “take-a-break” until you’re back from the trip.
  2. Set a new goal, “Verify compliance during trip”, as a Do More with a
    rate
    of 1-per-DAYS_FROM_NOW_UNTIL_AFTER_THE_TRIP, but in a sort of
    reverse-weasel-proof setup, so that they will not accept your entry of
    "1"
    without the verification. (As I said, I’m not sure this is doable.)

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Essentiae essentiae@gmail.com wrote:

Will you have access to SMS?

On 16 July 2014 12:12, Braden Shepherdson <braden.shepherdson@gmail.com

wrote:

So I’m going camping in the mountains of California in a couple of
weeks.

I have some household-chore goals that are irrelevant when I’m away
from

home; I’ll be scheduling breaks for these. Similarly for being off
work for

a week.

But for goals like a daily fitness routine and pedometer steps, I want
to

keep going while on the trip, but I’m not on the internet and can’t
keep it

up to date. What’s the established technique for this?

Last year I did the same trip and put in placeholders that needed
updating later, but it made a heck of a mess. I don’t really want to
just

flatten the roads for those goals, but I won’t be able to submit the
data

for 8 or 9 days.

Braden


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So I’m going camping in the mountains of California in a couple of weeks. I
have some household-chore goals that are irrelevant when I’m away from
home; I’ll be scheduling breaks for these. Similarly for being off work for
a week.

But for goals like a daily fitness routine and pedometer steps, I want to
keep going while on the trip, but I’m not on the internet and can’t keep it
up to date. What’s the established technique for this?

Last year I did the same trip and put in placeholders that needed updating
later, but it made a heck of a mess. I don’t really want to just flatten
the roads for those goals, but I won’t be able to submit the data for 8 or
9 days.

Braden


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The android app actually seems to do a pretty good job at remembering which
data it’s synched and posting it once online. I don’t know how that works
though, so I’ve no idea if you can count on that for a longer period of
time (I’ve only tried it over ~10 minutes of no signal). You could rely on
that?

Does have the problem of needing to not derail during that time. I’ve no
good suggestion for that I’m afraid.

On 16 July 2014 18:12, Braden Shepherdson braden.shepherdson@gmail.com
wrote:

So I’m going camping in the mountains of California in a couple of weeks.
I have some household-chore goals that are irrelevant when I’m away from
home; I’ll be scheduling breaks for these. Similarly for being off work for
a week.

But for goals like a daily fitness routine and pedometer steps, I want to
keep going while on the trip, but I’m not on the internet and can’t keep it
up to date. What’s the established technique for this?

Last year I did the same trip and put in placeholders that needed updating
later, but it made a heck of a mess. I don’t really want to just flatten
the roads for those goals, but I won’t be able to submit the data for 8 or
9 days.

Braden


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Will you have access to SMS?

On 16 July 2014 12:12, Braden Shepherdson braden.shepherdson@gmail.com
wrote:

So I’m going camping in the mountains of California in a couple of weeks.
I have some household-chore goals that are irrelevant when I’m away from
home; I’ll be scheduling breaks for these. Similarly for being off work for
a week.

But for goals like a daily fitness routine and pedometer steps, I want to
keep going while on the trip, but I’m not on the internet and can’t keep it
up to date. What’s the established technique for this?

Last year I did the same trip and put in placeholders that needed updating
later, but it made a heck of a mess. I don’t really want to just flatten
the roads for those goals, but I won’t be able to submit the data for 8 or
9 days.

Braden


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If it is important for you to have a similar motivational structure while
on this trip, here is one suggestion:

Set up a contract such that you will pay X dollars (held in escrow so you
cannot weasel) if you do not provide verification of goal completion within
a day or two of returning from your trip, then keep a verifiable record
while you’re away – e.g., video of each workout, or corroboration by the
others who were on the trip if they would be willing to do that for you.

I’m not sure whether you can do this with the existing Beeminder
infrastructure, or if the contract would be through StickK or similar.

But here’s what a Beeminder solution might look like, according to my
admittedly limited knowledge of non-basic beeminding:

  1. Set current goals to “take-a-break” until you’re back from the trip.
  2. Set a new goal, “Verify compliance during trip”, as a Do More with a
    rate of 1-per-DAYS_FROM_NOW_UNTIL_AFTER_THE_TRIP, but in a sort of
    reverse-weasel-proof setup, so that they will not accept your entry of "1"
    without the verification. (As I said, I’m not sure this is doable.)

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Essentiae essentiae@gmail.com wrote:

Will you have access to SMS?

On 16 July 2014 12:12, Braden Shepherdson braden.shepherdson@gmail.com
wrote:

So I’m going camping in the mountains of California in a couple of weeks.
I have some household-chore goals that are irrelevant when I’m away from
home; I’ll be scheduling breaks for these. Similarly for being off work for
a week.

But for goals like a daily fitness routine and pedometer steps, I want to
keep going while on the trip, but I’m not on the internet and can’t keep it
up to date. What’s the established technique for this?

Last year I did the same trip and put in placeholders that needed
updating later, but it made a heck of a mess. I don’t really want to just
flatten the roads for those goals, but I won’t be able to submit the data
for 8 or 9 days.

Braden


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This is yet another thing that the Generalized Road Dial can solve,
like so: schedule a flat spot for the trip, then enter your data
retroactively when you return (up to you whether you need a meta goal
like Jeff suggests to make sure that happens), then retroactively
remove the flat spot. Until the generalized road dial is actually
implemented, do the “retroactively remove the flat spot” step by
emailing support. I know you all love us and feel bad taking up our
time with support requests but it’s actually a quite valuable kick in
the pants for us to get things like the generalized road dial (and
especially generalized midnight!) implemented. Not to mention helping
us gauge the demand for such things.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jeff Alexander
analyticphilosophy@gmail.com wrote:

If it is important for you to have a similar motivational structure while on
this trip, here is one suggestion:

Set up a contract such that you will pay X dollars (held in escrow so you
cannot weasel) if you do not provide verification of goal completion within
a day or two of returning from your trip, then keep a verifiable record
while you’re away – e.g., video of each workout, or corroboration by the
others who were on the trip if they would be willing to do that for you.

I’m not sure whether you can do this with the existing Beeminder
infrastructure, or if the contract would be through StickK or similar.

But here’s what a Beeminder solution might look like, according to my
admittedly limited knowledge of non-basic beeminding:

  1. Set current goals to “take-a-break” until you’re back from the trip.
  2. Set a new goal, “Verify compliance during trip”, as a Do More with a rate
    of 1-per-DAYS_FROM_NOW_UNTIL_AFTER_THE_TRIP, but in a sort of
    reverse-weasel-proof setup, so that they will not accept your entry of "1"
    without the verification. (As I said, I’m not sure this is doable.)

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Essentiae essentiae@gmail.com wrote:

Will you have access to SMS?

On 16 July 2014 12:12, Braden Shepherdson braden.shepherdson@gmail.com
wrote:

So I’m going camping in the mountains of California in a couple of weeks.
I have some household-chore goals that are irrelevant when I’m away from
home; I’ll be scheduling breaks for these. Similarly for being off work for
a week.

But for goals like a daily fitness routine and pedometer steps, I want to
keep going while on the trip, but I’m not on the internet and can’t keep it
up to date. What’s the established technique for this?

Last year I did the same trip and put in placeholders that needed
updating later, but it made a heck of a mess. I don’t really want to just
flatten the roads for those goals, but I won’t be able to submit the data
for 8 or 9 days.

Braden


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http://dreev.es – search://"Daniel Reeves"
Goal tracking + Commitment contracts == http://beeminder.com

+1 for me, I have exactly this situation coming up and it caused problems
last year. I can get 3G coverage every couple of days *if *I come into town
so the derail potential for reading goals, etc is big…

On Wednesday, 16 July 2014 17:12:50 UTC+1, Braden Shepherdson wrote:

So I’m going camping in the mountains of California in a couple of weeks.
I have some household-chore goals that are irrelevant when I’m away from
home; I’ll be scheduling breaks for these. Similarly for being off work for
a week.

But for goals like a daily fitness routine and pedometer steps, I want to
keep going while on the trip, but I’m not on the internet and can’t keep it
up to date. What’s the established technique for this?

Last year I did the same trip and put in placeholders that needed updating
later, but it made a heck of a mess. I don’t really want to just flatten
the roads for those goals, but I won’t be able to submit the data for 8 or
9 days.

Braden


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