Archived Goal Management

  1. It would be great if we could delete archived goals (like we used to be
    able to delete empty goals) and free up the URLs.

  2. It would also be nice if there were a place we could see a list of our
    archived goals (in case we’ve forgotten the URLs for some of them… you
    know… hypothetically)

Thanks Essentiae, we have some partial solutions and a lot of verbiage
about this!

  1. If you hit Archive on a goal with less than a week of data it will
    give you the option to just totally blow it away and reclaim the URL.

  2. We do plan to add a tab for archived goals; we’ll email you your
    list in the meantime. Stand by! (Anyone else wanting that, let me
    know.)

On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Essentiae essentiae@gmail.com wrote:

  1. It would be great if we could delete archived goals (like we used to be
    able to delete empty goals) and free up the URLs.

  2. It would also be nice if there were a place we could see a list of our
    archived goals (in case we’ve forgotten the URLs for some of them… you
    know… hypothetically)


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Oh, excellent; that’ll do it. Thanks!

On Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:40:56 AM UTC-4, Essentiae wrote:

  1. It would be great if we could delete archived goals (like we used to be
    able to delete empty goals) and free up the URLs.

  2. It would also be nice if there were a place we could see a list of our
    archived goals (in case we’ve forgotten the URLs for some of them… you
    know… hypothetically)

Oh, the “lot of verbiage” was meant to link to this:
https://trello.com/card/today-s-edition-of-why-we-re-such-hard-asses-unfreeze-to-archive/5077740103f3b19b441c88f6/79

On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Essentiae essentiae@gmail.com wrote:

Oh, excellent; that’ll do it. Thanks!

On Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:40:56 AM UTC-4, Essentiae wrote:

  1. It would be great if we could delete archived goals (like we used to be
    able to delete empty goals) and free up the URLs.

  2. It would also be nice if there were a place we could see a list of our
    archived goals (in case we’ve forgotten the URLs for some of them… you
    know… hypothetically)


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  1. The unfreeze to archive isn’t in the way as far as I’m concerned. Goals
    can be set flat and set to archived at the end of the week. No extra cost;
    gives us a “Are you ~reeeeeally~ sure you want to archive this goal?” nudge
    because they’re still there when you log in for that week. I see no real
    problem here.
    1a) HATE that they sometimes derail immediately upon being unfozen, though.
    But that’s a different thing and almost certainly because I screw with the
    data while they’re frozen. Might be worth either preventing us from doing
    that altogether by blocking data manipulation while frozen, or making sure
    they unfreeze with the current point, whatever that now is, as the center
    of the road, rather than the old point at which it was frozen.)

  2. Had decided to keep my goals private, have now decided to share them
    publically and to give out my username on the next podcast interview or the
    post I promissed Tim. No desire to share the old
    didn’t-think-anyone-would-know-I-derailed-flossing-42-times-in-one-month
    data with anyone. I want to start fresh with the commitment of leaving my
    graphs public without the embarassment of displaying things I always
    thought would be private (and so hella-slacked on). Afraid to just delete
    old data… mayhem usually ensues.

  3. Want to be able to reuse old URLs for different projects, for the sake
    of texting. E.g. “conference ^ 2:00” instead of thumb-typing
    "ConferenceNameOfThisFourthConferenceIvePrepared ^ 2:00". Trying to use
    "conference6 ^ 2:00" will result in my absentmindedly sending data to the
    wrong one… guaranteed. Mayehm will ensue. (Same for TAing (new one each
    term), grading (new assignment to grade every few weeks), etc.)

  4. These are all pretty niche things, though, and likely not problems for
    other people, nor worth directing your teams resources towards, given all
    the other things on which you guys are no doubt working. Also, both are
    solved (perhaps more easily? I have no clue) by allowing us to change the
    URL of live and/or archived projects. Who cares about deleting hiden
    archived projects if I can free up the URLs when I need them?

Geez… and I tried to be brief… Fail.

On 11 June 2013 18:06, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com wrote:

Oh, the “lot of verbiage” was meant to link to this:

https://trello.com/card/today-s-edition-of-why-we-re-such-hard-asses-unfreeze-to-archive/5077740103f3b19b441c88f6/79

On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Essentiae essentiae@gmail.com wrote:

Oh, excellent; that’ll do it. Thanks!

On Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:40:56 AM UTC-4, Essentiae wrote:

  1. It would be great if we could delete archived goals (like we used
    to be

able to delete empty goals) and free up the URLs.

  1. It would also be nice if there were a place we could see a list of
    our

archived goals (in case we’ve forgotten the URLs for some of them…
you

know… hypothetically)


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The unfreeze to archive isn’t in the way as far as I’m concerned. Goals can
be set flat and set to archived at the end of the week. No extra cost;
gives us a “Are you ~reeeeeally~ sure you want to archive this goal?” nudge
because they’re still there when you log in for that week. I see no real
problem here.

I remember seeing posts about why you might want to make it hard to delete
(on the uservoice site, I think it’s called), I’ve never really been that
convinced by any of the arguments, though. And now it’s easier to rage-quit
a goal now and delete it in the first week than if only archived goals
could be deleted, forcing you to live out the first week of your
commitment. (Perhaps that’s the most challenging week: “Blah, this isn’t
working” archive, delete could become too easy (and frequent) a way out
of that first push.) In fact, it’s easier to rage-quit a goal that’s brand
new than to delete a goal that’s been lived out and archived.

(Though, I believe that’s to protect people who set their goal up wrong,
now that I think about it.)