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First draft of a blog post about tagtime and beeminder

This link will self-destruct in a few days, but in case anyone is
interested and/or has feedback I wrote a thing about how my
beeminder/tagtime habits are evolving:
http://www.drmaciver.com/?p=6626&shareadraft=baba6626_53c97e9fbd5f1

It’s a bit rambly at the moment, as now that I can actually commit to a
certain publishing rate I have a much stronger incentive to not just drop
my blog post drafts on the floor, so I’m trying this weird thing where I
actually write a first draft and then edit it. I suspect on editing this
might turn into two blog posts, one on what I think are good beeminder
habits and one on the actual specific technique being described. A final
version of at least one blog post extracted from this will probably go up
some time in the next week.


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Great stuff in here! And it’s getting me excited about polishing up
[1] TagTime to be usable by non-programmers. [2] You’re right that it
works beautifully with Beeminder. Though so does RescueTime, which has
the non-programmer demographic covered nicely. Btw, we’d be delighted
to take more guest blog posts, which you could crosspost on your blog
if you wanted. Speaking of which, new non-guest post by Philip Hellyer
last night: blog.beeminder.com/philip

Speaking of Beeminder+TagTime, did you know about this handy tool I
made: tminder.meteor.com

[1] Or for someone to polish up. I know multiple people (including our
own Alice Monday) have rewritten TagTime for their own purposes but we
still don’t have a version packaged up well enough to be easy for
non-uebernerds to use.

[2] Random thing that I thought was well said: “It is 100% OK to just
do a thing until tagtime pings and then stop. The maths works out.”

On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:35 PM, David MacIver david@drmaciver.com wrote:

This link will self-destruct in a few days, but in case anyone is interested
and/or has feedback I wrote a thing about how my beeminder/tagtime habits
are evolving:
http://www.drmaciver.com/?p=6626&shareadraft=baba6626_53c97e9fbd5f1

It’s a bit rambly at the moment, as now that I can actually commit to a
certain publishing rate I have a much stronger incentive to not just drop my
blog post drafts on the floor, so I’m trying this weird thing where I
actually write a first draft and then edit it. I suspect on editing this
might turn into two blog posts, one on what I think are good beeminder
habits and one on the actual specific technique being described. A final
version of at least one blog post extracted from this will probably go up
some time in the next week.


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I noticed some time ago that there is pyqt code on github tagtime
reposittory. It looks like it was not finished though. My main complaint
about TagTime is getting it to work on Windows. I think using QT (or a
different windowing toolkit) would help a lot, compared to using cygwin +
xterm.

On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com
wrote:

Great stuff in here! And it’s getting me excited about polishing up
[1] TagTime to be usable by non-programmers. [2] You’re right that it
works beautifully with Beeminder. Though so does RescueTime, which has
the non-programmer demographic covered nicely. Btw, we’d be delighted
to take more guest blog posts, which you could crosspost on your blog
if you wanted. Speaking of which, new non-guest post by Philip Hellyer
last night: blog.beeminder.com/philip

Speaking of Beeminder+TagTime, did you know about this handy tool I
made: tminder.meteor.com

[1] Or for someone to polish up. I know multiple people (including our
own Alice Monday) have rewritten TagTime for their own purposes but we
still don’t have a version packaged up well enough to be easy for
non-uebernerds to use.

[2] Random thing that I thought was well said: “It is 100% OK to just
do a thing until tagtime pings and then stop. The maths works out.”

On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:35 PM, David MacIver david@drmaciver.com
wrote:

This link will self-destruct in a few days, but in case anyone is
interested
and/or has feedback I wrote a thing about how my beeminder/tagtime habits
are evolving:
http://www.drmaciver.com/?p=6626&shareadraft=baba6626_53c97e9fbd5f1

It’s a bit rambly at the moment, as now that I can actually commit to a
certain publishing rate I have a much stronger incentive to not just
drop my
blog post drafts on the floor, so I’m trying this weird thing where I
actually write a first draft and then edit it. I suspect on editing this
might turn into two blog posts, one on what I think are good beeminder
habits and one on the actual specific technique being described. A final
version of at least one blog post extracted from this will probably go up
some time in the next week.


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On 18 July 2014 23:11, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com wrote:

Great stuff in here! And it’s getting me excited about polishing up
[1] TagTime to be usable by non-programmers. [2]

What’s the blocker here? Note that I use the android version of tagtime and
it seems pretty usable to me (though there are a few things I’m considering
investigating how hard they are to do because I find slightly frustrating).

You’re right that it
works beautifully with Beeminder. Though so does RescueTime, which has
the non-programmer demographic covered nicely.

Essentially everything I’m interested in tracking with tagtime happens away
from my computer and isn’t about app usage(the only exception being
spending less time on twitter), so that’s somewhat less interesting to me.

Btw, we’d be delighted
to take more guest blog posts, which you could crosspost on your blog
if you wanted.

Sure, I’d be happy to do that (but would definitely also cross post to my
blog)

Speaking of which, new non-guest post by Philip Hellyer
last night: blog.beeminder.com/philip

Yeah, I saw. Bits of this post has been brewing in my head for a while, but
that was part of the trigger for writing this up (though I’d also seen a
draft of that post which it hadn’t changed much from)

Speaking of Beeminder+TagTime, did you know about this handy tool I
made: tminder.meteor.com

Ah, that’s neat. I think my usage patterns are such that I don’t have to
worry too much about the tag time randomness because I head off eep days
well before they occur, but I had been considering writing something that
like for my own interest so good to know I don’t have to :slight_smile:

[1] Or for someone to polish up. I know multiple people (including our
own Alice Monday) have rewritten TagTime for their own purposes but we
still don’t have a version packaged up well enough to be easy for
non-uebernerds to use.

[2] Random thing that I thought was well said: “It is 100% OK to just
do a thing until tagtime pings and then stop. The maths works out.”

I was pretty happy when I realised that one. I’d previously been worried
about the consequences of tagtime affecting behaviour and distorting its
results, so it was nice to check the maths and realise that that couldn’t
really happen on average.

On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:35 PM, David MacIver david@drmaciver.com
wrote:

This link will self-destruct in a few days, but in case anyone is
interested
and/or has feedback I wrote a thing about how my beeminder/tagtime habits
are evolving:
http://www.drmaciver.com/?p=6626&shareadraft=baba6626_53c97e9fbd5f1

It’s a bit rambly at the moment, as now that I can actually commit to a
certain publishing rate I have a much stronger incentive to not just
drop my
blog post drafts on the floor, so I’m trying this weird thing where I
actually write a first draft and then edit it. I suspect on editing this
might turn into two blog posts, one on what I think are good beeminder
habits and one on the actual specific technique being described. A final
version of at least one blog post extracted from this will probably go up
some time in the next week.


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Great stuff in here! And it’s getting me excited about polishing up
[1] TagTime to be usable by non-programmers. [2]

What’s the blocker here? Note that I use the android version of tagtime and
it seems pretty usable to me (though there are a few things I’m considering
investigating how hard they are to do because I find slightly frustrating).

Oh, yes, TagTime on Android is normal-person-friendly. My own way of
using TagTime is very focused on tracking time at the computer and I
don’t like tracking on my phone so much.

Probably the most important thing is making it easy to track across
all computers and devices.


http://dreev.es – search://"Daniel Reeves"
Goal tracking + Commitment contracts == http://beeminder.com

You have my full support when it comes to bringing TagTime to wider
platforms :slight_smile:

Have you considered adopting something like Bountysource
https://www.bountysource.com/ into the workflow? I’d gladly kick over
some money to encourage a Windows version, and a tad for iOS.

On Friday, July 18, 2014 6:58:51 PM UTC-4, Daniel Reeves wrote:

Great stuff in here! And it’s getting me excited about polishing up
[1] TagTime to be usable by non-programmers. [2]

What’s the blocker here? Note that I use the android version of tagtime
and
it seems pretty usable to me (though there are a few things I’m
considering
investigating how hard they are to do because I find slightly
frustrating).

Oh, yes, TagTime on Android is normal-person-friendly. My own way of
using TagTime is very focused on tracking time at the computer and I
don’t like tracking on my phone so much.

Probably the most important thing is making it easy to track across
all computers and devices.


http://dreev.es – search://"Daniel Reeves"
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Hey everyone,

I’m planning (have actually already started) on porting tagtime to Python
(3). Part of the reason that I haven’t used tagtime as much as I could is
that I am not very familiar with Perl, and if the code were in Python I
would hack at it much more. I know that there’s a start of a Python
version in the tagtime source code, but it seems to be just a start and/or
just an alternative UI using PyQt. Is anyone else interested in this
project in any way?

On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 5:50 PM, David Ernst david@dsernst.com wrote:

You have my full support when it comes to bringing TagTime to wider
platforms :slight_smile:

Have you considered adopting something like Bountysource
https://www.bountysource.com/ into the workflow? I’d gladly kick over
some money to encourage a Windows version, and a tad for iOS.

On Friday, July 18, 2014 6:58:51 PM UTC-4, Daniel Reeves wrote:

Great stuff in here! And it’s getting me excited about polishing up
[1] TagTime to be usable by non-programmers. [2]

What’s the blocker here? Note that I use the android version of tagtime
and
it seems pretty usable to me (though there are a few things I’m
considering
investigating how hard they are to do because I find slightly
frustrating).

Oh, yes, TagTime on Android is normal-person-friendly. My own way of
using TagTime is very focused on tracking time at the computer and I
don’t like tracking on my phone so much.

Probably the most important thing is making it easy to track across
all computers and devices.


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Hi Adam, I’d be quite interested! I’ve actually had to translate the random
number generator into Python, as part of an effort to get the bare bones of
TagTime working on my iPhone (involving email-based pings and data entry).
Like you I’m more comfortable with Python, but I’m still using parts of the
Perl code to send my data to Beeminder .So I’d really love a full Python
version. You might want to post in the tagtime google group.

On Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:38:31 PM UTC-4, Adam Mesha wrote:

Hey everyone,

I’m planning (have actually already started) on porting tagtime to Python
(3). Part of the reason that I haven’t used tagtime as much as I could is
that I am not very familiar with Perl, and if the code were in Python I
would hack at it much more. I know that there’s a start of a Python
version in the tagtime source code, but it seems to be just a start and/or
just an alternative UI using PyQt. Is anyone else interested in this
project in any way?

On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 5:50 PM, David Ernst <da...@dsernst.com
<javascript:>> wrote:

You have my full support when it comes to bringing TagTime to wider
platforms :slight_smile:

Have you considered adopting something like Bountysource
https://www.bountysource.com/ into the workflow? I’d gladly kick over
some money to encourage a Windows version, and a tad for iOS.

On Friday, July 18, 2014 6:58:51 PM UTC-4, Daniel Reeves wrote:

Great stuff in here! And it’s getting me excited about polishing up
[1] TagTime to be usable by non-programmers. [2]

What’s the blocker here? Note that I use the android version of
tagtime and
it seems pretty usable to me (though there are a few things I’m
considering
investigating how hard they are to do because I find slightly
frustrating).

Oh, yes, TagTime on Android is normal-person-friendly. My own way of
using TagTime is very focused on tracking time at the computer and I
don’t like tracking on my phone so much.

Probably the most important thing is making it easy to track across
all computers and devices.


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Uh, stupid question. Would it be unreasonable to do tagtime just as a web
app with some javascript? The html5 notifications API is pretty good, which
seems like the only thing that would make it hard. As a bonus, this can
then act as a central API for the mobile apps to sync with.

On 20 July 2014 05:39, Alex Schell schell.alex@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Adam, I’d be quite interested! I’ve actually had to translate the
random number generator into Python, as part of an effort to get the bare
bones of TagTime working on my iPhone (involving email-based pings and data
entry). Like you I’m more comfortable with Python, but I’m still using
parts of the Perl code to send my data to Beeminder .So I’d really love a
full Python version. You might want to post in the tagtime google group.

On Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:38:31 PM UTC-4, Adam Mesha wrote:

Hey everyone,

I’m planning (have actually already started) on porting tagtime to Python
(3). Part of the reason that I haven’t used tagtime as much as I could is
that I am not very familiar with Perl, and if the code were in Python I
would hack at it much more. I know that there’s a start of a Python
version in the tagtime source code, but it seems to be just a start and/or
just an alternative UI using PyQt. Is anyone else interested in this
project in any way?

On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 5:50 PM, David Ernst da...@dsernst.com wrote:

You have my full support when it comes to bringing TagTime to wider
platforms :slight_smile:

Have you considered adopting something like Bountysource
https://www.bountysource.com/ into the workflow? I’d gladly kick over
some money to encourage a Windows version, and a tad for iOS.

On Friday, July 18, 2014 6:58:51 PM UTC-4, Daniel Reeves wrote:

Great stuff in here! And it’s getting me excited about polishing up
[1] TagTime to be usable by non-programmers. [2]

What’s the blocker here? Note that I use the android version of
tagtime and
it seems pretty usable to me (though there are a few things I’m
considering
investigating how hard they are to do because I find slightly
frustrating).

Oh, yes, TagTime on Android is normal-person-friendly. My own way of
using TagTime is very focused on tracking time at the computer and I
don’t like tracking on my phone so much.

Probably the most important thing is making it easy to track across
all computers and devices.


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Let’s take this to the tagtime list.

On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 4:00 PM, David MacIver david@drmaciver.com wrote:

Uh, stupid question. Would it be unreasonable to do tagtime just as a web
app with some javascript? The html5 notifications API is pretty good, which
seems like the only thing that would make it hard. As a bonus, this can
then act as a central API for the mobile apps to sync with.

On 20 July 2014 05:39, Alex Schell schell.alex@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Adam, I’d be quite interested! I’ve actually had to translate the
random number generator into Python, as part of an effort to get the bare
bones of TagTime working on my iPhone (involving email-based pings and data
entry). Like you I’m more comfortable with Python, but I’m still using
parts of the Perl code to send my data to Beeminder .So I’d really love a
full Python version. You might want to post in the tagtime google group.

On Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:38:31 PM UTC-4, Adam Mesha wrote:

Hey everyone,

I’m planning (have actually already started) on porting tagtime to
Python (3). Part of the reason that I haven’t used tagtime as much as I
could is that I am not very familiar with Perl, and if the code were in
Python I would hack at it much more. I know that there’s a start of a
Python version in the tagtime source code, but it seems to be just a start
and/or just an alternative UI using PyQt. Is anyone else interested in
this project in any way?

On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 5:50 PM, David Ernst da...@dsernst.com wrote:

You have my full support when it comes to bringing TagTime to wider
platforms :slight_smile:

Have you considered adopting something like Bountysource
https://www.bountysource.com/ into the workflow? I’d gladly kick
over some money to encourage a Windows version, and a tad for iOS.

On Friday, July 18, 2014 6:58:51 PM UTC-4, Daniel Reeves wrote:

Great stuff in here! And it’s getting me excited about polishing up
[1] TagTime to be usable by non-programmers. [2]

What’s the blocker here? Note that I use the android version of
tagtime and
it seems pretty usable to me (though there are a few things I’m
considering
investigating how hard they are to do because I find slightly
frustrating).

Oh, yes, TagTime on Android is normal-person-friendly. My own way of
using TagTime is very focused on tracking time at the computer and I
don’t like tracking on my phone so much.

Probably the most important thing is making it easy to track across
all computers and devices.


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I’ve considered Bounty sourcing for minor improvements to the Android app, just the ability for it to auto suggest tags based on my first few typed letters. I’ve too many tags to scroll though all the buttons.


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Huh, so this was pretty interesting. I think using backpressure and tagtime
might be helpful for me managing more than just a handful of goals and
turning them into more consistent habits. So I’m pretty open about the fact
that I use beeminder to manage my limitations on time and energy due to
chronic mental illness:
http://inconsistentuniverse.wordpress.com/tag/beeminder/ I’d already been
thinking about how to use tagtime for one kind of goal. It’s definitely a
combo that I think I’ll try!

Thanks for sharing

On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:35 PM, David MacIver david@drmaciver.com wrote:

This link will self-destruct in a few days, but in case anyone is
interested and/or has feedback I wrote a thing about how my
beeminder/tagtime habits are evolving:
http://www.drmaciver.com/?p=6626&shareadraft=baba6626_53c97e9fbd5f1

It’s a bit rambly at the moment, as now that I can actually commit to a
certain publishing rate I have a much stronger incentive to not just drop
my blog post drafts on the floor, so I’m trying this weird thing where I
actually write a first draft and then edit it. I suspect on editing this
might turn into two blog posts, one on what I think are good beeminder
habits and one on the actual specific technique being described. A final
version of at least one blog post extracted from this will probably go up
some time in the next week.


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Ooh, thanks, Clarissa! That reminded me to update
blog.beeminder.com/burnout with a pointer to your blog. Keep letting
us know here too when you post things about akrasia-related aspects of
mental illness. In fact, maybe we should start a separate thread on
that? (People not interested in TagTime may have muted this one.
Everyone knows about gmail’s mute feature, right?)

On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Clarissa Littler
clarissa.littler@gmail.com wrote:

Huh, so this was pretty interesting. I think using backpressure and tagtime
might be helpful for me managing more than just a handful of goals and
turning them into more consistent habits. So I’m pretty open about the fact
that I use beeminder to manage my limitations on time and energy due to
chronic mental illness:
http://inconsistentuniverse.wordpress.com/tag/beeminder/ I’d already been
thinking about how to use tagtime for one kind of goal. It’s definitely a
combo that I think I’ll try!

Thanks for sharing

On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:35 PM, David MacIver david@drmaciver.com wrote:

This link will self-destruct in a few days, but in case anyone is
interested and/or has feedback I wrote a thing about how my
beeminder/tagtime habits are evolving:
http://www.drmaciver.com/?p=6626&shareadraft=baba6626_53c97e9fbd5f1

It’s a bit rambly at the moment, as now that I can actually commit to a
certain publishing rate I have a much stronger incentive to not just drop my
blog post drafts on the floor, so I’m trying this weird thing where I
actually write a first draft and then edit it. I suspect on editing this
might turn into two blog posts, one on what I think are good beeminder
habits and one on the actual specific technique being described. A final
version of at least one blog post extracted from this will probably go up
some time in the next week.


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