I've been inserting fake data into my beeminder goals and I'm looking for more accountability

Yeah, I’m pretty sure fitness bands track when you sleep, not when you go to bed.

Alas.

They’ll show sleep timeframe. I currently track my sleep bedtime using an app and it works. Beeminder doesn’t currently support integration of that automatically, though I have requested it.

You could track using an automatic service (so it goes to a dashboard) and then use a service such as BaaS to enter the data.

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(I haven’t read the full thread, sorry if redundant)

@pyng, some questions in case they are helpful:

  • What actually goes through your head when you decide to enter fake data?
  • Did you do any “self-reflection”, as you put it? What was the result?

And some random ideas:

  • Could you ask Beeminder to ban you if you fake data again? What keeps me from faking data is the knowledge that if I do it, I’ve broken Beeminder permanently for myself. Could you re-create that?
  • Could you pay up all the derailments you avoided by faking data? Then you could tell yourself that even if you fake data again, you know you’ll eventually come clean and have to pay anyway.
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I guess I always have some kind of excuse or justification when I’m putting in fake data. But it’s easy to do it without much self-reflection.

Well I think I’ve already burnt that bridge, and I’m hoping to re-build it…

I have actually done this before – gone back, fixed my fake data points, and payed the fine. However, I it didn’t stop me falling back into my fake data habits.

Hi pyng!

I can pretty relate with you. I have probably lost a hundred bucks using $5 pledges and still couldn’t avoid cheating at certain times. Because of this, I’ve gotten to the point of archiving my goal all together even if I would have used it for all my career.

I don’t think using more restrictive measures would help at all, but worsen the situation. You’ll always find a way to “hack” through any accountability system you use mindlessly, even with platforms like these where money is at stake. I don’t think Beeminder itself is faulty in this sense, as it works wonders for many. However, when an underlying personal issue is present, I don’t think it’s the best platform for you.

By the way, the new Mi Band 5 (even the cheapest Chinese version) is quite good at detecting sleep without having the phone next to you.

If you would like to have an accountability partner, I can also help to some extent. :slight_smile:

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Yeah, I can relate to this. If I start cheating on a goal I take it as evidence that the goal isn’t working for me as defined and either modify it or archive it.

I wonder if it would help to write out why you don’t want to cheat, who you want to be as a person, and what you’ll lose by cheating, and then review that on a periodic basis? I’ve used that technique with other difficult-to-fix-with-Beeminder issues with some success

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If it’s really important for you I’d recommend using Boss as a Service to get a real person to check on you and input data on your BM.

I run a similar service as BaaS, but honestly they have more experience with BM data so if you’re a lot into BM I’d recommend to try them out.

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Salt liberally: I’ve only been using Beeminder a few days.

This might not be of help to you specifically, but because I have a bad habit of lying in bed and browsing Reddit on my phone, I did something a bit drastic. I got a flip phone. No apps. It means I can’t use Sleep as Android anymore, or any other mobile apps, but most of the stuff I need to do is still available on my desktop and tablet.

But then, I also have a problem with not getting off the computer early enough to get to bed in time. I’ll sometimes stay up until 4 AM watching YouTube videos. For this, I’ve decided to create an IFTTT app which will take a RescueTime alert triggered by being on the computer for more than one minute after midnight, so I have to suspend it when I’m done at night (can’t just let it go to a screensaver; a cat might bump the mouse!) and send that alert as a datapoint to a Do-Less goal with Pessimistic Presumptive turned off.

So I’ve hopefully solved it with not even having a phone to use in bed coupled with a nanny that will rat me out to Beeminder if I’m on the computer after midnight (and before 5 AM).

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Another trick that has worked for me for breaking the habit of goofing off on my phone late into the night: use my phone as my alarm clock, and plug it in on the opposite side of the room. That way I can’t get into bed without putting my phone away.

(Of course the primary reason I do this is because it’s the only way I can get myself out of bed, but it has helped on both sides)

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Not a bad idea. But for me, I would only be out of bed long enough to turn it off and turn around to fall back onto the mattress. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Edit: though I admit when I did use @katriel’s method, it did (and still does, in a way) prevent me from staying on my phone late into the night. The only problem would be in the morning.

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This sounds like what I want – only I don’t have Beemium so I can’t make a Do-Less goal.

Yes, I have the same problem – I can’t use my phone as an alarm or else I’ll spend the whole morning in bed on my phone. I have a dedicated alarm clock to address this.

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I also have a dedicated alarm clock! … and an alarm on my phone. And a beeminder goal. :disappointed:

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Okay so I’ve stopped using Beeminder entirely for now. I’ve had a fair few good days. But still some bad days (Thursday night being my latest night this week).

There’s a few different things that seem to spiral a bit: Late in the evening I have lower inhibitions, so I’m more likely to snack a lot on sugary foods, which in turn keeps me awake so I go to bed later, which means I’m tired the next day which makes both those things worse. This also ties in to binge-watching stuff on my laptop, and I’ll stay in my living room binge-watching stuff and eating much past my bedtime, so that even if I don’t use my phone in bed when I do go to bed, it’s already way past my bedtime.

Also being tired in the morning makes me not want to do exercise in the morning, so I’m much less likely to do any exercise whatsoever. This in turn means I miss out on the better sleep that is gained from exercise.

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Last week went well, and I had a fairly good sleep routine (I was actually moving it 30min earlier each day).

The first three days this week I kept my 8am alarm, but I didn’t keep my bedtime, and then I kinda broke on Thursday and Friday and didn’t get to bed on time, was binging YouTube and binging food, didn’t do the work I was planning to do, didn’t exercise, etc.

I’ve booked a 9am slot at a library on Tuesday, and I’m hoping that a bit more of an external schedule will help me keep everything else on track.

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The trick is to “get back at it” after falling off and to do this sooner rather than later. That might be a stronger skill than “never fall off”.

That week at the library did actually work really well. I’m trying to stop eating by 21:30 (which I have done today, and yesterday). I’m also trying to not eat whilst watching YouTube. To facilitate that I’m proactively trying to read whilst eating (as opposed to watching YouTube) because it’s difficult to replace doing something with not doing something, and easier to replace doing something with doing a different thing.

I’ve also been successful with not using my phone in bed in the evening. And in the past three weeks I’ve only a couple of times used it in bed in the morning.

Reminds me of this other thread: what about counting how often you chew per bite? It has a couple of positive side effects. If you get bored by that count bites per meal and chews per bite. If you get bored by that count breaths during the meal plus the other two.

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