Hey everyone, love this conversation! We’re actually so skeeved out by
fake data  that I might prefer a 3rd solution: invoke the SOS clause for
finishing early. Like literally let it derail and then respond to the legit
check right away that the goal date should be adjusted to be equal to the
derail date, thus undoing the derailment. In theory that kind of thing
invites even more abuse than fake data but in practice it’s quite the
opposite. Abusing the bot is all too easy – abusing us humans is hard.
Y’all seem to be super nice like that.
But Alys’s solution is actually pretty awesome, and I have a proposal for a
variant that’s maybe the best of all worlds: generalize the project
slightly. Instead of “write this paper” it could be “write this paper
and/or promote it” or “write this paper and/or compile a list of potential
objections and my responses” or “write this paper and/or do related
research for a possible followup” or even just use the disjunction of a
couple different projects – working on either of them counts toward the
I should add that Brent’s solution is best of all, whenever there’s a way
to make the whole question moot with a better metric. Just that sometimes
Speaking of making it moot, if you manage to keep 7 days of safety buffer
then you’re immune to the akrasia horizon. Finish the project and set the
goal to end in a week. With more than 7 days safety buffer it’s not an
issue that you stop working immediately; the goal will complete
successfully. (I know, I know, if you had the discipline to keep 7 days of
safety buffer then you wouldn’t need Beeminder. It’s good to keep in mind
though! Maybe a carrot to strive for. Being able to end a goal with no
notice is a nice perk. And it degrades gracefully: if you can manage 5 days
of safety buffer then that’s just 2 days you have to worry about staying on
a road that you no longer really need.)
 It’s a slippery slope to the unraveling of all Beeminder’s power! Also
the fact that Beeminder is a Quantified Self tool and fake data ruins that
aspect of it.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Essentiae firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Brent: I think you’re probably right that with most project, hours
wouldn’t be the right things to measure. For those with a second factor
that can be measured, I add that graph too and just track both. What I’m
trying to track, though, is more of a schedule system than a project goal
(I rotate my projects and want to track that), so hours really are the
main focus. At this point it’s really AIC (ass in chair) that I want to
re-enforce (and to prevent myself from rotating around any projects that I
Alys: Your “Spend X hours feeling pleased with myself for finishing!”
idea made me chuckle out loud, but I think I might go with something that.
Since it would be the last datapoint, it probably wouldn’t matter, and I
could note the actual total in the comment section of that last entry. It
makes me feel a little twitchy to think that I’ll be leaving fake data of a
kind, but I’ll just have to get over that!
On Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:41:16 AM UTC-4, Essentiae wrote:
I’m wondering what the best way is to set up this kind of thing. I have a
few projects on which I want to spend x hours or minutes per day until
they’re finished, but I don’t know when they’ll be finished. Guestimating
could lead me to have hours left to work, according to my yellow brick
road, even when the project is complete. Shooting for fewer hours to be
safe will likely just result in me doing fewer hours. Is this a job
for Fine Print + Support when the project is complete? Or is it better
served by trying very hard to keep an eye on my buffer so that I can have a
7-day buffer and can end the project on the day it’s actually complete and
then just wait for my buffer to run out?
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