skating the edge of my weight road

At 9:40 this morning I weighed 71.85 kg (158.4 lb). That was a pound
or so above my weight road, bmndr.com/d/mass .
So I jumped around the house and did squats and and burpees and things
until I had sweated out about 2 soda cans’ worth of sweat.
Here’s what our scale sent to Beeminder for the hour and half that I
repeatedly weighed myself to see if I was on the road yet:

24 71.85 "auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40"
24 72 "auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40"
24 72.05 "auto-entered from withings scale at 09:52"
24 72.05 "auto-entered from withings scale at 09:55"
24 71.85 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:15"
24 71.85 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:21"
24 71.95 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:27"
24 71.75 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:32"
24 71.85 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:33"
24 71.9 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:37"
24 71.9 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:40"
24 71.85 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:42"
24 71.65 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:47"
24 71.4 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:54"
24 71.55 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:56"
24 71.4 "auto-entered from withings scale at 11:00"
24 71.55 "auto-entered from withings scale at 11:03"
24 71.5 "auto-entered from withings scale at 11:05"
24 71.25 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:09”

That last one put me back on the yellow brick road, barely.

What I’m wondering is if there’s a good rule of thumb for how to game
Beeminder like that without endangering one’s health.
I’m thinking something like this:

  1. Don’t overdress in order to sweat more. You want the side effect
    of burning a lot of calories.
  2. Don’t do this multiple days in a row. Your true weight might be
    deviating more and more from the road, which means eventually you’ll
    have to dangerously dehydrate yourself to get back on.
  3. Listen to your body. If you feel thirsty, drink.

PS: I would’ve just not eaten all day and weighed in again at night
but Bethany made chocolate chip muffins so I was pretty motivated to
get on my road before leaving the house so I could eat them.


http://dreev.es – search://"Daniel Reeves"
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com

Your body weight is closely correlated with how much water you have in your
system-- so if you take the measurement at the right time, you’d have a
lower weight. Of course, this only works once-- but perhaps you could set
up a “buffer” by maximizing your measured weight at the beginning, so that
if you have the temptation to “cheat”, you can safely do so once.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.comwrote:

At 9:40 this morning I weighed 71.85 kg (158.4 lb). That was a pound
or so above my weight road, bmndr.com/d/mass .
So I jumped around the house and did squats and and burpees and things
until I had sweated out about 2 soda cans’ worth of sweat.
Here’s what our scale sent to Beeminder for the hour and half that I
repeatedly weighed myself to see if I was on the road yet:

24 71.85 "auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40"
24 72 "auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40"
24 72.05 "auto-entered from withings scale at 09:52"
24 72.05 "auto-entered from withings scale at 09:55"
24 71.85 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:15"
24 71.85 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:21"
24 71.95 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:27"
24 71.75 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:32"
24 71.85 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:33"
24 71.9 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:37"
24 71.9 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:40"
24 71.85 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:42"
24 71.65 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:47"
24 71.4 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:54"
24 71.55 "auto-entered from withings scale at 10:56"
24 71.4 "auto-entered from withings scale at 11:00"
24 71.55 "auto-entered from withings scale at 11:03"
24 71.5 "auto-entered from withings scale at 11:05"
24 71.25 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:09”

That last one put me back on the yellow brick road, barely.

What I’m wondering is if there’s a good rule of thumb for how to game
Beeminder like that without endangering one’s health.
I’m thinking something like this:

  1. Don’t overdress in order to sweat more. You want the side effect
    of burning a lot of calories.
  2. Don’t do this multiple days in a row. Your true weight might be
    deviating more and more from the road, which means eventually you’ll
    have to dangerously dehydrate yourself to get back on.
  3. Listen to your body. If you feel thirsty, drink.

PS: I would’ve just not eaten all day and weighed in again at night
but Bethany made chocolate chip muffins so I was pretty motivated to
get on my road before leaving the house so I could eat them.


http://dreev.es – search://"Daniel Reeves"
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com

You’re using Beeminder in a weird way. That is surprising, since you built
it :wink:

Yes, you can have the goal of staying below the outer edge of the ybr, but
in this way you’re not using the safety buffer that having a ybr gives you
.
If Beeminder had no yellow brick road, but only a simple line that you must
not cross at any time, you would have no flexibility, no “emergency day” to
fix the state of whatever you’re tracking. And i guess this is why you
introduced the ybr.

Now, if you consider the outer edge of the road your “do not cross” line,
you’re back to having no flexibility, there is again a point you cannot
pass even for a day, and so on.
If you do start considering the goal line as your target, you would have
started doing “squats and and burpees and things” some days sooner, taking
full advantage of the flexibility you built in the system.

Anyway, good luck with your weight loss program… and release the APIs! :wink:

Ciao,
\ Valerio De Camillis

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Ken Chen kennchen@gmail.com wrote:

Your body weight is closely correlated with how much water you have in
your system-- so if you take the measurement at the right time, you’d have
a lower weight. Of course, this only works once-- but perhaps you could set
up a “buffer” by maximizing your measured weight at the beginning, so that
if you have the temptation to “cheat”, you can safely do so once.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.comwrote:

At 9:40 this morning I weighed 71.85 kg (158.4 lb). That was a pound
or so above my weight road, bmndr.com/d/mass .
So I jumped around the house and did squats and and burpees and things
until I had sweated out about 2 soda cans’ worth of sweat.
Here’s what our scale sent to Beeminder for the hour and half that I
repeatedly weighed myself to see if I was on the road yet:

24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40”
24 72 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40”
24 72.05 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:52”
24 72.05 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:55”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:15”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:21”
24 71.95 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:27”
24 71.75 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:32”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:33”
24 71.9 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:37”
24 71.9 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:40”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:42”
24 71.65 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:47”
24 71.4 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:54”
24 71.55 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:56”
24 71.4 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:00”
24 71.55 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:03”
24 71.5 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:05”
24 71.25 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:09”

That last one put me back on the yellow brick road, barely.

What I’m wondering is if there’s a good rule of thumb for how to game
Beeminder like that without endangering one’s health.
I’m thinking something like this:

  1. Don’t overdress in order to sweat more. You want the side effect
    of burning a lot of calories.
  2. Don’t do this multiple days in a row. Your true weight might be
    deviating more and more from the road, which means eventually you’ll
    have to dangerously dehydrate yourself to get back on.
  3. Listen to your body. If you feel thirsty, drink.

PS: I would’ve just not eaten all day and weighed in again at night
but Bethany made chocolate chip muffins so I was pretty motivated to
get on my road before leaving the house so I could eat them.


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com

Ha, yes, but if I had the self-discipline to not skate the top edge of
my yellow brick road then I wouldn’t need Beeminder! We actually love
seeing graphs where the person is often in the wrong lane, with
frequent emergency days. That’s the surest sign that that person would
be being distinctly less awesome if it weren’t for Beeminder riding
their butt.

(Thanks for the nudge on the API; we’re definitely working on it. And
there’s a rudimentary version available to anyone who talks to us
individually.)

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Valerio De Camillis
worthstream@gmail.com wrote:

You’re using Beeminder in a weird way. That is surprising, since you built
it :wink:

Yes, you can have the goal of staying below the outer edge of the ybr, but
in this way you’re not using the safety buffer that having a ybr gives you
.
If Beeminder had no yellow brick road, but only a simple line that you must
not cross at any time, you would have no flexibility, no “emergency day” to
fix the state of whatever you’re tracking. And i guess this is why you
introduced the ybr.

Now, if you consider the outer edge of the road your “do not cross” line,
you’re back to having no flexibility, there is again a point you cannot pass
even for a day, and so on.
If you do start considering the goal line as your target, you would have
started doing “squats and and burpees and things” some days sooner, taking
full advantage of the flexibility you built in the system.

Anyway, good luck with your weight loss program… and release the APIs! :wink:

Ciao,
\ Valerio De Camillis

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Ken Chen kennchen@gmail.com wrote:

Your body weight is closely correlated with how much water you have in
your system-- so if you take the measurement at the right time, you’d have a
lower weight. Of course, this only works once-- but perhaps you could set up
a “buffer” by maximizing your measured weight at the beginning, so that if
you have the temptation to “cheat”, you can safely do so once.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com
wrote:

At 9:40 this morning I weighed 71.85 kg (158.4 lb). That was a pound
or so above my weight road, bmndr.com/d/mass .
So I jumped around the house and did squats and and burpees and things
until I had sweated out about 2 soda cans’ worth of sweat.
Here’s what our scale sent to Beeminder for the hour and half that I
repeatedly weighed myself to see if I was on the road yet:

24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40”
24 72 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40”
24 72.05 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:52”
24 72.05 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:55”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:15”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:21”
24 71.95 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:27”
24 71.75 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:32”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:33”
24 71.9 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:37”
24 71.9 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:40”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:42”
24 71.65 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:47”
24 71.4 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:54”
24 71.55 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:56”
24 71.4 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:00”
24 71.55 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:03”
24 71.5 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:05”
24 71.25 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:09”

That last one put me back on the yellow brick road, barely.

What I’m wondering is if there’s a good rule of thumb for how to game
Beeminder like that without endangering one’s health.
I’m thinking something like this:

  1. Don’t overdress in order to sweat more. You want the side effect
    of burning a lot of calories.
  2. Don’t do this multiple days in a row. Your true weight might be
    deviating more and more from the road, which means eventually you’ll
    have to dangerously dehydrate yourself to get back on.
  3. Listen to your body. If you feel thirsty, drink.

PS: I would’ve just not eaten all day and weighed in again at night
but Bethany made chocolate chip muffins so I was pretty motivated to
get on my road before leaving the house so I could eat them.


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com

Interestingly enough, I think that beeminder can work for both Danny and me.
Danny is always going to be doing things at the last minute. If you look at
any of the meta beeminder goals, you will see an emergency blog post every
week. I on the other hand, tend to make conservative goals, and feel nervous
about losing if am not below (or above, depending on the type of goal) the
yellow brick road. I will probably never lose a goal, because I would probably
never construct a goal I didn’t think I could make. So Danny has to find a
different way to make money off of me:
http://beeminder.com/rob/weight/hist

Rob
On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 06:27:46 PM Daniel Reeves wrote:

Ha, yes, but if I had the self-discipline to not skate the top edge of
my yellow brick road then I wouldn’t need Beeminder! We actually love
seeing graphs where the person is often in the wrong lane, with
frequent emergency days. That’s the surest sign that that person would
be being distinctly less awesome if it weren’t for Beeminder riding
their butt.

(Thanks for the nudge on the API; we’re definitely working on it. And
there’s a rudimentary version available to anyone who talks to us
individually.)

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Valerio De Camillis

worthstream@gmail.com wrote:

You’re using Beeminder in a weird way. That is surprising, since you built
it :wink:

Yes, you can have the goal of staying below the outer edge of the ybr, but
in this way you’re not using the safety buffer that having a ybr gives you
.
If Beeminder had no yellow brick road, but only a simple line that you
must
not cross at any time, you would have no flexibility, no “emergency day”
to
fix the state of whatever you’re tracking. And i guess this is why you
introduced the ybr.

Now, if you consider the outer edge of the road your “do not cross” line,
you’re back to having no flexibility, there is again a point you cannot
pass even for a day, and so on.
If you do start considering the goal line as your target, you would have
started doing “squats and and burpees and things” some days sooner, taking
full advantage of the flexibility you built in the system.

Anyway, good luck with your weight loss program… and release the APIs!
:wink:

Ciao,
\ Valerio De Camillis

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Ken Chen kennchen@gmail.com wrote:

Your body weight is closely correlated with how much water you have in
your system-- so if you take the measurement at the right time, you’d
have a lower weight. Of course, this only works once-- but perhaps you
could set up a “buffer” by maximizing your measured weight at the
beginning, so that if you have the temptation to “cheat”, you can safely
do so once.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com

wrote:

At 9:40 this morning I weighed 71.85 kg (158.4 lb). That was a pound
or so above my weight road, bmndr.com/d/mass .
So I jumped around the house and did squats and and burpees and things
until I had sweated out about 2 soda cans’ worth of sweat.
Here’s what our scale sent to Beeminder for the hour and half that I
repeatedly weighed myself to see if I was on the road yet:

24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40”
24 72 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40”
24 72.05 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:52”
24 72.05 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:55”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:15”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:21”
24 71.95 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:27”
24 71.75 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:32”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:33”
24 71.9 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:37”
24 71.9 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:40”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:42”
24 71.65 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:47”
24 71.4 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:54”
24 71.55 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:56”
24 71.4 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:00”
24 71.55 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:03”
24 71.5 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:05”
24 71.25 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:09”

That last one put me back on the yellow brick road, barely.

What I’m wondering is if there’s a good rule of thumb for how to game
Beeminder like that without endangering one’s health.
I’m thinking something like this:

  1. Don’t overdress in order to sweat more. You want the side effect
    of burning a lot of calories.
  2. Don’t do this multiple days in a row. Your true weight might be
    deviating more and more from the road, which means eventually you’ll
    have to dangerously dehydrate yourself to get back on.
  3. Listen to your body. If you feel thirsty, drink.

PS: I would’ve just not eaten all day and weighed in again at night
but Bethany made chocolate chip muffins so I was pretty motivated to
get on my road before leaving the house so I could eat them.


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com

Ha, funny you should compare us like that! Check out the “Goofus vs
Gallant” examples on beeminder.com/money
Excerpt: “If you’re disciplined and self-motivated to reach your goal
then Beeminder will be free for you forever. (Beeminder is obviously
not targeted at people like you!)”

I continue to have to go running or somesuch ever few days to cling to
the edge of my weight road.
The saner thing to do of course would be to just beemind the workouts
directly but this seems to be working surprisingly well and is more
exciting.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Robert Felty robfelty@gmail.com wrote:

Interestingly enough, I think that beeminder can work for both Danny and me.
Danny is always going to be doing things at the last minute. If you look at
any of the meta beeminder goals, you will see an emergency blog post every
week. I on the other hand, tend to make conservative goals, and feel nervous
about losing if am not below (or above, depending on the type of goal) the
yellow brick road. I will probably never lose a goal, because I would probably
never construct a goal I didn’t think I could make. So Danny has to find a
different way to make money off of me:
http://beeminder.com/rob/weight/hist

Rob
On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 06:27:46 PM Daniel Reeves wrote:

Ha, yes, but if I had the self-discipline to not skate the top edge of
my yellow brick road then I wouldn’t need Beeminder! We actually love
seeing graphs where the person is often in the wrong lane, with
frequent emergency days. That’s the surest sign that that person would
be being distinctly less awesome if it weren’t for Beeminder riding
their butt.

(Thanks for the nudge on the API; we’re definitely working on it. And
there’s a rudimentary version available to anyone who talks to us
individually.)

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Valerio De Camillis

worthstream@gmail.com wrote:

You’re using Beeminder in a weird way. That is surprising, since you built
it :wink:

Yes, you can have the goal of staying below the outer edge of the ybr, but
in this way you’re not using the safety buffer that having a ybr gives you
.
If Beeminder had no yellow brick road, but only a simple line that you
must
not cross at any time, you would have no flexibility, no “emergency day”
to
fix the state of whatever you’re tracking. And i guess this is why you
introduced the ybr.

Now, if you consider the outer edge of the road your “do not cross” line,
you’re back to having no flexibility, there is again a point you cannot
pass even for a day, and so on.
If you do start considering the goal line as your target, you would have
started doing “squats and and burpees and things” some days sooner, taking
full advantage of the flexibility you built in the system.

Anyway, good luck with your weight loss program… and release the APIs!
:wink:

Ciao,
\ Valerio De Camillis

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Ken Chen kennchen@gmail.com wrote:

Your body weight is closely correlated with how much water you have in
your system-- so if you take the measurement at the right time, you’d
have a lower weight. Of course, this only works once-- but perhaps you
could set up a “buffer” by maximizing your measured weight at the
beginning, so that if you have the temptation to “cheat”, you can safely
do so once.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com

wrote:

At 9:40 this morning I weighed 71.85 kg (158.4 lb). That was a pound
or so above my weight road, bmndr.com/d/mass .
So I jumped around the house and did squats and and burpees and things
until I had sweated out about 2 soda cans’ worth of sweat.
Here’s what our scale sent to Beeminder for the hour and half that I
repeatedly weighed myself to see if I was on the road yet:

24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40”
24 72 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40”
24 72.05 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:52”
24 72.05 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:55”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:15”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:21”
24 71.95 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:27”
24 71.75 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:32”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:33”
24 71.9 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:37”
24 71.9 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:40”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:42”
24 71.65 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:47”
24 71.4 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:54”
24 71.55 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:56”
24 71.4 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:00”
24 71.55 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:03”
24 71.5 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:05”
24 71.25 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:09”

That last one put me back on the yellow brick road, barely.

What I’m wondering is if there’s a good rule of thumb for how to game
Beeminder like that without endangering one’s health.
I’m thinking something like this:

  1. Don’t overdress in order to sweat more. You want the side effect
    of burning a lot of calories.
  2. Don’t do this multiple days in a row. Your true weight might be
    deviating more and more from the road, which means eventually you’ll
    have to dangerously dehydrate yourself to get back on.
  3. Listen to your body. If you feel thirsty, drink.

PS: I would’ve just not eaten all day and weighed in again at night
but Bethany made chocolate chip muffins so I was pretty motivated to
get on my road before leaving the house so I could eat them.


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com

Wow, I certainly do not need that kind of excitement in my life… :slight_smile:

David

On Jul 2, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Daniel Reeves wrote:

Ha, funny you should compare us like that! Check out the “Goofus vs
Gallant” examples on beeminder.com/money
Excerpt: “If you’re disciplined and self-motivated to reach your goal
then Beeminder will be free for you forever. (Beeminder is obviously
not targeted at people like you!)”

I continue to have to go running or somesuch ever few days to cling to
the edge of my weight road.
The saner thing to do of course would be to just beemind the workouts
directly but this seems to be working surprisingly well and is more
exciting.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Robert Felty robfelty@gmail.com wrote:

Interestingly enough, I think that beeminder can work for both Danny and me.
Danny is always going to be doing things at the last minute. If you look at
any of the meta beeminder goals, you will see an emergency blog post every
week. I on the other hand, tend to make conservative goals, and feel nervous
about losing if am not below (or above, depending on the type of goal) the
yellow brick road. I will probably never lose a goal, because I would probably
never construct a goal I didn’t think I could make. So Danny has to find a
different way to make money off of me:
http://beeminder.com/rob/weight/hist

Rob
On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 06:27:46 PM Daniel Reeves wrote:

Ha, yes, but if I had the self-discipline to not skate the top edge of
my yellow brick road then I wouldn’t need Beeminder! We actually love
seeing graphs where the person is often in the wrong lane, with
frequent emergency days. That’s the surest sign that that person would
be being distinctly less awesome if it weren’t for Beeminder riding
their butt.

(Thanks for the nudge on the API; we’re definitely working on it. And
there’s a rudimentary version available to anyone who talks to us
individually.)

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Valerio De Camillis

worthstream@gmail.com wrote:

You’re using Beeminder in a weird way. That is surprising, since you built
it :wink:

Yes, you can have the goal of staying below the outer edge of the ybr, but
in this way you’re not using the safety buffer that having a ybr gives you
.
If Beeminder had no yellow brick road, but only a simple line that you
must
not cross at any time, you would have no flexibility, no “emergency day”
to
fix the state of whatever you’re tracking. And i guess this is why you
introduced the ybr.

Now, if you consider the outer edge of the road your “do not cross” line,
you’re back to having no flexibility, there is again a point you cannot
pass even for a day, and so on.
If you do start considering the goal line as your target, you would have
started doing “squats and and burpees and things” some days sooner, taking
full advantage of the flexibility you built in the system.

Anyway, good luck with your weight loss program… and release the APIs!
:wink:

Ciao,
\ Valerio De Camillis

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Ken Chen kennchen@gmail.com wrote:

Your body weight is closely correlated with how much water you have in
your system-- so if you take the measurement at the right time, you’d
have a lower weight. Of course, this only works once-- but perhaps you
could set up a “buffer” by maximizing your measured weight at the
beginning, so that if you have the temptation to “cheat”, you can safely
do so once.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com

wrote:

At 9:40 this morning I weighed 71.85 kg (158.4 lb). That was a pound
or so above my weight road, bmndr.com/d/mass .
So I jumped around the house and did squats and and burpees and things
until I had sweated out about 2 soda cans’ worth of sweat.
Here’s what our scale sent to Beeminder for the hour and half that I
repeatedly weighed myself to see if I was on the road yet:

24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40”
24 72 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40”
24 72.05 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:52”
24 72.05 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:55”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:15”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:21”
24 71.95 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:27”
24 71.75 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:32”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:33”
24 71.9 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:37”
24 71.9 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:40”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:42”
24 71.65 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:47”
24 71.4 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:54”
24 71.55 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:56”
24 71.4 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:00”
24 71.55 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:03”
24 71.5 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:05”
24 71.25 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:09”

That last one put me back on the yellow brick road, barely.

What I’m wondering is if there’s a good rule of thumb for how to game
Beeminder like that without endangering one’s health.
I’m thinking something like this:

  1. Don’t overdress in order to sweat more. You want the side effect
    of burning a lot of calories.
  2. Don’t do this multiple days in a row. Your true weight might be
    deviating more and more from the road, which means eventually you’ll
    have to dangerously dehydrate yourself to get back on.
  3. Listen to your body. If you feel thirsty, drink.

PS: I would’ve just not eaten all day and weighed in again at night
but Bethany made chocolate chip muffins so I was pretty motivated to
get on my road before leaving the house so I could eat them.


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com


My home page: http://www.davidreiley.com

That should make all the more incentive to stay safely below your weight road!

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Reiley david@davidreiley.com wrote:

Wow, I certainly do not need that kind of excitement in my life… :slight_smile:

David

On Jul 2, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Daniel Reeves wrote:

Ha, funny you should compare us like that! Check out the “Goofus vs
Gallant” examples on beeminder.com/money
Excerpt: “If you’re disciplined and self-motivated to reach your goal
then Beeminder will be free for you forever. (Beeminder is obviously
not targeted at people like you!)”

I continue to have to go running or somesuch ever few days to cling to
the edge of my weight road.
The saner thing to do of course would be to just beemind the workouts
directly but this seems to be working surprisingly well and is more
exciting.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Robert Felty robfelty@gmail.com wrote:

Interestingly enough, I think that beeminder can work for both Danny and me.

Danny is always going to be doing things at the last minute. If you look at

any of the meta beeminder goals, you will see an emergency blog post every

week. I on the other hand, tend to make conservative goals, and feel nervous

about losing if am not below (or above, depending on the type of goal)
the

yellow brick road. I will probably never lose a goal, because I would
probably

never construct a goal I didn’t think I could make. So Danny has to find a

different way to make money off of me:

http://beeminder.com/rob/weight/hist

Rob

On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 06:27:46 PM Daniel Reeves wrote:

Ha, yes, but if I had the self-discipline to not skate the top edge of

my yellow brick road then I wouldn’t need Beeminder! We actually love

seeing graphs where the person is often in the wrong lane, with

frequent emergency days. That’s the surest sign that that person would

be being distinctly less awesome if it weren’t for Beeminder riding

their butt.

(Thanks for the nudge on the API; we’re definitely working on it. And

there’s a rudimentary version available to anyone who talks to us

individually.)

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Valerio De Camillis

worthstream@gmail.com wrote:

You’re using Beeminder in a weird way. That is surprising, since you built

it :wink:

Yes, you can have the goal of staying below the outer edge of the ybr, but

in this way you’re not using the safety buffer that having a ybr gives you

.

If Beeminder had no yellow brick road, but only a simple line that you

must

not cross at any time, you would have no flexibility, no “emergency day”

to

fix the state of whatever you’re tracking. And i guess this is why you

introduced the ybr.

Now, if you consider the outer edge of the road your “do not cross” line,

you’re back to having no flexibility, there is again a point you cannot

pass even for a day, and so on.

If you do start considering the goal line as your target, you would have

started doing “squats and and burpees and things” some days sooner, taking

full advantage of the flexibility you built in the system.

Anyway, good luck with your weight loss program… and release the APIs!

:wink:

Ciao,

\ Valerio De Camillis

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Ken Chen kennchen@gmail.com wrote:

Your body weight is closely correlated with how much water you have in

your system-- so if you take the measurement at the right time, you’d

have a lower weight. Of course, this only works once-- but perhaps you

could set up a “buffer” by maximizing your measured weight at the

beginning, so that if you have the temptation to “cheat”, you can safely

do so once.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com

wrote:

At 9:40 this morning I weighed 71.85 kg (158.4 lb). That was a pound

or so above my weight road, bmndr.com/d/mass .

So I jumped around the house and did squats and and burpees and things

until I had sweated out about 2 soda cans’ worth of sweat.

Here’s what our scale sent to Beeminder for the hour and half that I

repeatedly weighed myself to see if I was on the road yet:

24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40”

24 72 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40”

24 72.05 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:52”

24 72.05 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:55”

24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:15”

24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:21”

24 71.95 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:27”

24 71.75 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:32”

24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:33”

24 71.9 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:37”

24 71.9 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:40”

24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:42”

24 71.65 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:47”

24 71.4 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:54”

24 71.55 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:56”

24 71.4 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:00”

24 71.55 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:03”

24 71.5 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:05”

24 71.25 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:09”

That last one put me back on the yellow brick road, barely.

What I’m wondering is if there’s a good rule of thumb for how to game

Beeminder like that without endangering one’s health.

I’m thinking something like this:

  1. Don’t overdress in order to sweat more. You want the side effect

of burning a lot of calories.

  1. Don’t do this multiple days in a row. Your true weight might be

deviating more and more from the road, which means eventually you’ll

have to dangerously dehydrate yourself to get back on.

  1. Listen to your body. If you feel thirsty, drink.

PS: I would’ve just not eaten all day and weighed in again at night

but Bethany made chocolate chip muffins so I was pretty motivated to

get on my road before leaving the house so I could eat them.

http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”

Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com


My home page: http://www.davidreiley.com


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com

But before I created a yellow brick road, I had been thinking about and making
some effort at weight loss for several years, to no avail. Actually making a
public goal, weighing myself everyday, and watching my graph was hugely
motivating. So it is for people like me too!

Rob
On Monday, July 02, 2012 10:20:27 AM Daniel Reeves wrote:

Ha, funny you should compare us like that! Check out the “Goofus vs
Gallant” examples on beeminder.com/money
Excerpt: “If you’re disciplined and self-motivated to reach your goal
then Beeminder will be free for you forever. (Beeminder is obviously
not targeted at people like you!)”

I continue to have to go running or somesuch ever few days to cling to
the edge of my weight road.
The saner thing to do of course would be to just beemind the workouts
directly but this seems to be working surprisingly well and is more
exciting.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Robert Felty robfelty@gmail.com wrote:

Interestingly enough, I think that beeminder can work for both Danny and
me. Danny is always going to be doing things at the last minute. If you
look at any of the meta beeminder goals, you will see an emergency blog
post every week. I on the other hand, tend to make conservative goals,
and feel nervous about losing if am not below (or above, depending on
the type of goal) the yellow brick road. I will probably never lose a
goal, because I would probably never construct a goal I didn’t think I
could make. So Danny has to find a different way to make money off of me:
http://beeminder.com/rob/weight/hist

Rob

On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 06:27:46 PM Daniel Reeves wrote:

Ha, yes, but if I had the self-discipline to not skate the top edge of
my yellow brick road then I wouldn’t need Beeminder! We actually love
seeing graphs where the person is often in the wrong lane, with
frequent emergency days. That’s the surest sign that that person would
be being distinctly less awesome if it weren’t for Beeminder riding
their butt.

(Thanks for the nudge on the API; we’re definitely working on it. And
there’s a rudimentary version available to anyone who talks to us
individually.)

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Valerio De Camillis

worthstream@gmail.com wrote:

You’re using Beeminder in a weird way. That is surprising, since you
built
it :wink:

Yes, you can have the goal of staying below the outer edge of the ybr,
but
in this way you’re not using the safety buffer that having a ybr gives
you
.
If Beeminder had no yellow brick road, but only a simple line that you
must
not cross at any time, you would have no flexibility, no “emergency
day”
to
fix the state of whatever you’re tracking. And i guess this is why you
introduced the ybr.

Now, if you consider the outer edge of the road your “do not cross”
line,
you’re back to having no flexibility, there is again a point you cannot
pass even for a day, and so on.
If you do start considering the goal line as your target, you would
have
started doing “squats and and burpees and things” some days sooner,
taking
full advantage of the flexibility you built in the system.

Anyway, good luck with your weight loss program… and release the
APIs!
:wink:

Ciao,
\ Valerio De Camillis

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Ken Chen kennchen@gmail.com wrote:

Your body weight is closely correlated with how much water you have in
your system-- so if you take the measurement at the right time, you’d
have a lower weight. Of course, this only works once-- but perhaps you
could set up a “buffer” by maximizing your measured weight at the
beginning, so that if you have the temptation to “cheat”, you can
safely
do so once.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com

wrote:

At 9:40 this morning I weighed 71.85 kg (158.4 lb). That was a pound
or so above my weight road, bmndr.com/d/mass .
So I jumped around the house and did squats and and burpees and
things
until I had sweated out about 2 soda cans’ worth of sweat.
Here’s what our scale sent to Beeminder for the hour and half that I
repeatedly weighed myself to see if I was on the road yet:

24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40”
24 72 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:40”
24 72.05 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:52”
24 72.05 “auto-entered from withings scale at 09:55”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:15”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:21”
24 71.95 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:27”
24 71.75 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:32”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:33”
24 71.9 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:37”
24 71.9 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:40”
24 71.85 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:42”
24 71.65 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:47”
24 71.4 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:54”
24 71.55 “auto-entered from withings scale at 10:56”
24 71.4 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:00”
24 71.55 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:03”
24 71.5 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:05”
24 71.25 “auto-entered from withings scale at 11:09”

That last one put me back on the yellow brick road, barely.

What I’m wondering is if there’s a good rule of thumb for how to game
Beeminder like that without endangering one’s health.
I’m thinking something like this:

  1. Don’t overdress in order to sweat more. You want the side effect
    of burning a lot of calories.
  2. Don’t do this multiple days in a row. Your true weight might be
    deviating more and more from the road, which means eventually you’ll
    have to dangerously dehydrate yourself to get back on.
  3. Listen to your body. If you feel thirsty, drink.

PS: I would’ve just not eaten all day and weighed in again at night
but Bethany made chocolate chip muffins so I was pretty motivated to
get on my road before leaving the house so I could eat them.


http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com