I think it was a TED talk by Derek Sivers that got people quoting this all over the internet, about how if you tell people your goals then you get some kind of dopamine hit just by feeling like the kind of person who has those goals and this reduces your motivation to actually achieve the goals. Sivers himself seems to have regretted how his talk was interpreted and posted this semi-retraction: https://sivers.org/zipit2
But identity-based goal or not, the conclusion that you make yourself less likely to achieve a goal by telling people about it defies common sense. I mean, hereās the peer-reviewed science saying my common sense is wrong ā http://www.psych.nyu.edu/gollwitzer/09_Gollwitzer_Sheeran_Seifert_Michalski_When_Intentions_.pdf ā but this is a psychology paper from 2009 so Iām willing to bet real money on common sense, despite seeing no obvious flaw with the paper.
Any psychology researchers in the audience want to weigh in on this? Anyone want to wager money on whether the study will replicate?
I am of two minds about this! With the strong disclaimer that Iām an inveterate underachiever/struggle with executive dysfunction, my experience has roughly been that talking about my goals with other peopleā¦does nothing to influence my follow-through. I do think Iām sometimes guilty of mentioning a goal that I think I āshouldā have and getting that dopamine hit from other people agreeing with me that itās a very good goal, yes, but this is almost always my experience on things that I, to be brutally honest, donāt really intend to do. But I donāt think mentioning goals like that makes me less likely to follow through on them; I think I was just never going to follow through on [whatever nebulous good-sounding goal Iāve mentioned offhand in a social context.] Yes, I would ideally like to take up running again, and Iāve mentioned it socially probably a dozen times, but in all honesty Iām quite aware thatās not happening any time soon.
And with goals I do intend to follow through on, talking about them seems to be a net neutral to net positive. Iāve left social occasions early more than once because if I didnāt leave to write, my Beeminder writing goal would derail. Because Iāve been reasonably vocal about writing more being a priority (and about how Iāll get charged money if I donāt, lol,) the people I spend the most time with are quite supportive/know exactly what it means if I look at my phone and go āoh, no, Beeminder,ā and leave for forty minutes, hah
So my intuition is that sharing a goal doesnāt make me intrinsically more likely to follow through on it; sharing an achievable goal that Iām serious about (i.e. aā¦beemindable goal) either helps or does nothing.
(Without finding the time to scroll through the papers linked,) I think thatās what Daniel was getting at with the post from years ago.
If you say āIām going to take up running again,ā you already feel good about yourself for āmaking this decisionā. Would you be able to brush it off if you set a tangible goal, like with writing? I.e. āIām going to take up running again, and start by doing x sessions per week during April.ā Sounds much harder to ignore if you know exactly what your goal is.
At least thatās the interpretation I can get behind.
Almost - for me itās not an issue of knowing what the goal actually is but actually intending in any way, shape or form to follow through on it. e.g. for me though I vaguely want to be a runner/take up running again (to keep on with this example), I know perfectly well that wonāt happen until much later this year, if ever. Doesnāt stop me from mentioning it socially every now and then though if that makes sense
Everything @caroline12 is saying matches my common sense. It may or may not help to tell others about your goals but it canāt hurt. I also agree with @shaidil that sharing specific (hopefully beemindable!) goals should help.
Either way, the Gollwitzer study seems super wrong to me.
(Also, @caroline12, I love your example of fleeing a party for 40 minutes with an āoh no, Beeminder!ā In fact, any story like that where youāre helping evangelize Beeminder is worth some stickers. DM me your snailmail address if youād like some!)
Say you start moonlighting. You hope to turn it into a real business. You tell everybody your goals. In the initial days, it is a struggle, things are not going well. Everybody and his aunt ask you how things are going. You give a big smile and say āGreat, I am doing greatā. This disconnect between reality and what you are forced to say causes stress in your mind. If you are the kind of person who loves this stress because it motivates you to go work harder, share your goal with everybody.
If you find this stress depressing and it demotivates you donāt share your goal with everybody. Share your goals with people to whom you can say, āNot so good, I am facing this problem.ā You do this because you know that person will either offer to help, brainstorm solutions with you, or motivate you.
When it comes to what works or does not work with respect to behaviour, my belief is that the answer is always āit dependsā.
What does it depend on?
Here is a snippet from one of my blog posts
Behaviour is driven by
Genes
The Hormonal balances in the womb. (The Indian practice of protecting women who are expecting a baby from stresses, negative experiences are scientifically valid).
This portion of behaviour I call innate.
Your experiences during critical phases of your brain development. You ālearnā what right behaviour is.
This portion of your behaviour I call ingrained.
Social expectations and peer pressure. You behave in certain ways that you donāt āwantā to behave but social expectations and peer pressure make you behave in those ways and it becomes a habit. (Maybe it is drug use. Maybe it is casual sex. Maybe it is how you to talk about your spouse to your friends.)
This portion of behaviour I call put on.
Context. If your spouse has had a fight with you in the morning or you are suffering from a hangover, you respond differently to an incident at work, then you would normally.
This portion of your behaviour is circumstantial.
So your behaviour actually consists of
innate + ingrained + put on + circumstantial
Ooh this post has gone on for too long. But it is something I feel strongly about. shrug