Wetter Feet, The Reckoning (bumping up existing $0 goals)

There’s a lot of great discussion in this thread about the introduction of Feet-Wetting Mode for new goals:

I wanted to start a separate thread about getting all existing $0 goals bumped up.

Here’s a new blog post officially announcing the transition plan:

Eager to hear more thoughts, whether the honey money bribe makes it exquisitely fair, etc.


I think the bump-up on preexisting goals is a very sensible move, in the spirit of why Beeminder is useful, and eminently fair with the honey money bribe.

I also really appreciate the final paragraph of the blog post – because I don’t feel it’s unfair but I do value honey money (it’s been a huge positive in my relationship to derailing). Thanks for specifically addressing this point! :two_hearts:


What happens with $1 pledges and goals on other pledge schedules?
Maybe this could be an opportunity for aligning them all (to the same pledge schedule).

1 Like

Yeah, that was an ancient and failed experiment with a different pledge schedule and we do intend to clean those up. We’d really like to revamp the pledge schedule further and have more flexibility in how the pledges change when you derail (and when you go long enough without derailing!).

In the meantime, it seems like people are feeling more and more receptive to the idea that Beeminder goals should pretty much always have real money at stake.


We’ve sent out the emails about this and I’m having a lot of good conversations with people. Only a couple unhappy people so far, one of whom just doesn’t believe in commitment devices at all.

One thing I’ve been asking people is whether they’d be amenable to a kind of honor-system quid pro quo that people use the free honey as part of a personal experiment with derailing-it-is-nailing-it mindset. Be ambitious with your commitments, accept that some derailments are inevitable, that that’s part of pushing yourself.

I don’t know if that makes the gift feel too strings-attached.

1 Like
The email we sent to people with $0 goals, for reference

your feet to be deemed fully wet on your (username) $0 beeminder goals

If you’ve been following along on the blog and in beemails, you’ll know that one of the newer features of Beeminder is Feet-Wetting Mode. In short, new goals created with a $0 pledge get automatically bumped up to the standard initial stakes of $5 after the first week.

We’ve been talking to users about this extensively and almost everyone thinks this is totally-fine-thank-you-and-Beeminder-goals-with-no-money-at-risk-are-silly-anyway.

So this email is to let you know that your care-free days are limited! We’re starting the countdown now, and in 30 days your existing $0 goals (that were created prior to Feet-Wetting mode) will become $5 goals.

Affected goals: [list of goals]

And since we imagine there exist cases, rare as they may be, where users feel this is unfair and not what they agreed to when they created the goal, etc, we’d like to ensure exquisite fairness by offering you $5 of honey money per $0 goal, making your first derailment on each of them effectively free after all. This is a gift to you veterans who created goals before these changes but we do need you to REPLY TO THIS EMAIL to accept it. That’s because you may consider it sting-diluting and not actually want effectively free derails!

Updates and clarifications!

Pledgeless goals possible on Beemium as always

Starting one’s stakes at $0 has always been free, never a premium perk. Some people were worried we were taking away something people had paid for. Not the case! And it’s still the case that you can cap your pledges at $0 with the Beemium plan (but we don’t recommend that).

We were clarifying this all along but only in footnotes in the blog posts (wet feet and wetter feet) so it’s our fault that people missed that. Also we forgot to mention it at all in the monthly beemail. Thanks to @tierrabluebird for pointing that out.

PS: Also we just improved the UI to make it more obvious that with Beemium you can both start at $0 and stay at $0. Thanks to @mary for that.

Honey without strings attached

We don’t want to give the impression that the honey money gift has strings attached and just want to say that it’s a great opportunity to stretch your wings and experiment with a derailing-it-is-nailing-it mindset. Thanks to @grayson for this framing.

PS: But you still have to reply to the email to claim the honey money.