minor epiphany for set-a-limit goals: default report is twice the current YBR rate

You know how Set A Limit goals have this huge problem that if you
flake out and stop reporting then Beeminder just never bothers you
again and tells you you have infinite safety buffer? Like what
happened to me on beeminder.com/d/sugar

Some people have done wonderful life-changing things with Set A Limit
goals but I seem to be too much of a weasel-of-omission for it to work
for me.

So I think Set A Limit needs the proper analog of flatlining that Do
More goals have. With Do More, if you don’t report then it’s like
reporting zero, and that will eventually derail you.

I propose that the presumed report for Set A Limit should just be
twice the current rate of the yellow brick road. Then we maintain the
nice universal property that not reporting takes you from green to
blue to orange to red, each day. Just like Do More.

Fair?

Technical details:

  1. It’s the current rate, not the rate starting in a week that the
    road dial shows. (Those are the same if you haven’t touched the road
    dial recently.)

  2. Just before the graph refresh at 3am, a datapoint for the previous
    day is added. Like if the current weekly rate is 14 (2 per day) then
    an auto-entered datapoint like this would appear:
    ^ 4 “PESSIMISTIC PRESUMPTION. Edit or delete me if incorrect.”

  3. Reporting of the safety buffer would account for this and tell you
    for real how long you could go without reporting (accepting the
    pessimistic presumptive reports).


http://dreev.es – search://"Daniel Reeves"
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com

This is probably more legwork to implement than your (excellent)
suggestion, but it would be cool if “What happens if you don’t report?” was
a user-definable thing, with stay flat / increase by x / decrease by x
options.

i

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.comwrote:

You know how Set A Limit goals have this huge problem that if you
flake out and stop reporting then Beeminder just never bothers you
again and tells you you have infinite safety buffer? Like what
happened to me on beeminder.com/d/sugar

Some people have done wonderful life-changing things with Set A Limit
goals but I seem to be too much of a weasel-of-omission for it to work
for me.

So I think Set A Limit needs the proper analog of flatlining that Do
More goals have. With Do More, if you don’t report then it’s like
reporting zero, and that will eventually derail you.

I propose that the presumed report for Set A Limit should just be
twice the current rate of the yellow brick road. Then we maintain the
nice universal property that not reporting takes you from green to
blue to orange to red, each day. Just like Do More.

Fair?

Technical details:

  1. It’s the current rate, not the rate starting in a week that the
    road dial shows. (Those are the same if you haven’t touched the road
    dial recently.)

  2. Just before the graph refresh at 3am, a datapoint for the previous
    day is added. Like if the current weekly rate is 14 (2 per day) then
    an auto-entered datapoint like this would appear:
    ^ 4 “PESSIMISTIC PRESUMPTION. Edit or delete me if incorrect.”

  3. Reporting of the safety buffer would account for this and tell you
    for real how long you could go without reporting (accepting the
    pessimistic presumptive reports).


http://dreev.es – search://"Daniel Reeves"
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com

Daniel,

That’s exactly the sort of thing that would have made the set-a-limit goal
that I tried succeed. As it stands, it’s stagnant.

Good luck with the implementation!
On Dec 29, 2012 3:33 PM, “Daniel Reeves” dreeves@beeminder.com wrote:

You know how Set A Limit goals have this huge problem that if you
flake out and stop reporting then Beeminder just never bothers you
again and tells you you have infinite safety buffer? Like what
happened to me on beeminder.com/d/sugar

Some people have done wonderful life-changing things with Set A Limit
goals but I seem to be too much of a weasel-of-omission for it to work
for me.

So I think Set A Limit needs the proper analog of flatlining that Do
More goals have. With Do More, if you don’t report then it’s like
reporting zero, and that will eventually derail you.

I propose that the presumed report for Set A Limit should just be
twice the current rate of the yellow brick road. Then we maintain the
nice universal property that not reporting takes you from green to
blue to orange to red, each day. Just like Do More.

Fair?

Technical details:

  1. It’s the current rate, not the rate starting in a week that the
    road dial shows. (Those are the same if you haven’t touched the road
    dial recently.)

  2. Just before the graph refresh at 3am, a datapoint for the previous
    day is added. Like if the current weekly rate is 14 (2 per day) then
    an auto-entered datapoint like this would appear:
    ^ 4 “PESSIMISTIC PRESUMPTION. Edit or delete me if incorrect.”

  3. Reporting of the safety buffer would account for this and tell you
    for real how long you could go without reporting (accepting the
    pessimistic presumptive reports).


http://dreev.es – search://"Daniel Reeves"
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com

Yes! Brilliant. I have a few set-a-limit goals that I weaselingly
abandoned for exactly this reason – I had no incentive to report any
data. I like how this would make things more consistent.

-Brent

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.comwrote:

You know how Set A Limit goals have this huge problem that if you
flake out and stop reporting then Beeminder just never bothers you
again and tells you you have infinite safety buffer? Like what
happened to me on beeminder.com/d/sugar

Some people have done wonderful life-changing things with Set A Limit
goals but I seem to be too much of a weasel-of-omission for it to work
for me.

So I think Set A Limit needs the proper analog of flatlining that Do
More goals have. With Do More, if you don’t report then it’s like
reporting zero, and that will eventually derail you.

I propose that the presumed report for Set A Limit should just be
twice the current rate of the yellow brick road. Then we maintain the
nice universal property that not reporting takes you from green to
blue to orange to red, each day. Just like Do More.

Fair?

Technical details:

  1. It’s the current rate, not the rate starting in a week that the
    road dial shows. (Those are the same if you haven’t touched the road
    dial recently.)

  2. Just before the graph refresh at 3am, a datapoint for the previous
    day is added. Like if the current weekly rate is 14 (2 per day) then
    an auto-entered datapoint like this would appear:
    ^ 4 “PESSIMISTIC PRESUMPTION. Edit or delete me if incorrect.”

  3. Reporting of the safety buffer would account for this and tell you
    for real how long you could go without reporting (accepting the
    pessimistic presumptive reports).


http://dreev.es – search://"Daniel Reeves"
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com

I too think this is fair and would in fact benefit from it. Many thanks, Daniel.

On Dec 29, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Daniel Reeves wrote:

You know how Set A Limit goals have this huge problem that if you
flake out and stop reporting then Beeminder just never bothers you
again and tells you you have infinite safety buffer? Like what
happened to me on beeminder.com/d/sugar

Some people have done wonderful life-changing things with Set A Limit
goals but I seem to be too much of a weasel-of-omission for it to work
for me.

So I think Set A Limit needs the proper analog of flatlining that Do
More goals have. With Do More, if you don’t report then it’s like
reporting zero, and that will eventually derail you.

I propose that the presumed report for Set A Limit should just be
twice the current rate of the yellow brick road. Then we maintain the
nice universal property that not reporting takes you from green to
blue to orange to red, each day. Just like Do More.

Fair?

Technical details:

  1. It’s the current rate, not the rate starting in a week that the
    road dial shows. (Those are the same if you haven’t touched the road
    dial recently.)

  2. Just before the graph refresh at 3am, a datapoint for the previous
    day is added. Like if the current weekly rate is 14 (2 per day) then
    an auto-entered datapoint like this would appear:
    ^ 4 “PESSIMISTIC PRESUMPTION. Edit or delete me if incorrect.”

  3. Reporting of the safety buffer would account for this and tell you
    for real how long you could go without reporting (accepting the
    pessimistic presumptive reports).


http://dreev.es – search://"Daniel Reeves"
Follow the Yellow Brick Road – http://beeminder.com