Dashboard (Could use help from someone who knows how to use the API)

1

I can’t code. I have a general idea of some of the things one can do and am
familiar with a few basic concepts, but that’s it. I would love to have a
place I can look that lists my goals in order from the earliest to derail
to the latest (like they’re ordered on the “goals” page), but that also has
the “bare minimum” for each listed. If it’s an emergency day then the bare
minimum would be in red, if I could lose tomorrow, then have the bare
minimum in the orange, if there’s a safe day have the minimum in blue, the
green for anything above that, as per the colours of the graph.

So, something like:

Work
+7.0

Practice
+0.5

Exercise
+21.23

Meditation
+3.5

I’d like to know how much I have to do on each thing at a single glance
without opening up each goal page. The iPhone app does this, but only on
emergency days. With something like that, I would be likely to create more
goals than I have now, again, b/c it would make them easier to manage
at-a-glance.

I would gladly trade off knowing how many safe days I have on each goal on
the home page for the info about how much I need to do to get to the next
level. Something like that is what I’d be looking for. Is this something
that can be done using info accessible through the API? (This might be a
stupid question b/c, as mentioned, my coding knowledge is minimal so I
don’t know if the API can do anything remotely like this.)

2

The API can definitely do this. A command-line version of something
similar is one of the first things I wrote. Although the code isn’t
distributed in a package, and was really just something I threw
together for my own use, I’ve uploaded a copy to:

It’s built on top of the WebService::Beeminder module for Perl.

When run, it produces:

[-135d -11hrs] rtm_inbox_age
[-94d -11hrs] rtbm-commits
[0d 13hrs] floss
[11d 13hrs] dance
[72d 13hrs] rtm_points
[224d 12hrs] wsbm-test
[262d 12hrs] weight
[5403d 12hrs] inbox

Negative times are already failed tasks. As you can see, I need to
floss my teeth in the next 13 hours. Adding the bare-minimum required
wouldn’t be too tricky a change.

What sort of platform are you looking at desiring this on? (Unix
command line tools I can mint out pretty quickly; web and phone
applications take longer.)

Paul

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Essentiae mary.d.renaud@gmail.com wrote:

I can’t code. I have a general idea of some of the things one can do and am
familiar with a few basic concepts, but that’s it. I would love to have a
place I can look that lists my goals in order from the earliest to derail to
the latest (like they’re ordered on the “goals” page), but that also has the
“bare minimum” for each listed. If it’s an emergency day then the bare
minimum would be in red, if I could lose tomorrow, then have the bare
minimum in the orange, if there’s a safe day have the minimum in blue, the
green for anything above that, as per the colours of the graph.

So, something like:

Work
+7.0

Practice
+0.5

Exercise
+21.23

Meditation
+3.5

I’d like to know how much I have to do on each thing at a single glance
without opening up each goal page. The iPhone app does this, but only on
emergency days. With something like that, I would be likely to create more
goals than I have now, again, b/c it would make them easier to manage
at-a-glance.

I would gladly trade off knowing how many safe days I have on each goal on
the home page for the info about how much I need to do to get to the next
level. Something like that is what I’d be looking for. Is this something
that can be done using info accessible through the API? (This might be a
stupid question b/c, as mentioned, my coding knowledge is minimal so I don’t
know if the API can do anything remotely like this.)

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3

I think I get that exact view in the android app at any time

Would be a nice view to have for the website too
On Apr 13, 2013 7:32 PM, “Essentiae” mary.d.renaud@gmail.com wrote:

I can’t code. I have a general idea of some of the things one can do and
am familiar with a few basic concepts, but that’s it. I would love to have
a place I can look that lists my goals in order from the earliest to derail
to the latest (like they’re ordered on the “goals” page), but that also has
the “bare minimum” for each listed. If it’s an emergency day then the bare
minimum would be in red, if I could lose tomorrow, then have the bare
minimum in the orange, if there’s a safe day have the minimum in blue, the
green for anything above that, as per the colours of the graph.

So, something like:

Work
+7.0

Practice
+0.5

Exercise
+21.23

Meditation
+3.5

I’d like to know how much I have to do on each thing at a single glance
without opening up each goal page. The iPhone app does this, but only on
emergency days. With something like that, I would be likely to create more
goals than I have now, again, b/c it would make them easier to manage
at-a-glance.

I would gladly trade off knowing how many safe days I have on each goal on
the home page for the info about how much I need to do to get to the next
level. Something like that is what I’d be looking for. Is this something
that can be done using info accessible through the API? (This might be a
stupid question b/c, as mentioned, my coding knowledge is minimal so I
don’t know if the API can do anything remotely like this.)

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4

“What sort of platform are you looking at desiring this on?”
I guess a web page would be easiest cause I could check it from anywhere
(incl. my phone). If there’s code I can toss into some HTML, I can put
together an un-pretty page and that’d do the trick, I think. I tend to
piece things together that I find elsewhere into a patchwork solution that
works very inefficiently… but works. But I’m not really sure how I’d go
about doing that with the Beeminder info.

On Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:06:32 PM UTC-4, Paul Fenwick wrote:

The API can definitely do this. A command-line version of something
similar is one of the first things I wrote. Although the code isn’t
distributed in a package, and was really just something I threw
together for my own use, I’ve uploaded a copy to:

bmndr-list.pl · GitHub

It’s built on top of the WebService::Beeminder module for Perl.

When run, it produces:

[-135d -11hrs] rtm_inbox_age
[-94d -11hrs] rtbm-commits
[0d 13hrs] floss
[11d 13hrs] dance
[72d 13hrs] rtm_points
[224d 12hrs] wsbm-test
[262d 12hrs] weight
[5403d 12hrs] inbox

Negative times are already failed tasks. As you can see, I need to
floss my teeth in the next 13 hours. Adding the bare-minimum required
wouldn’t be too tricky a change.

What sort of platform are you looking at desiring this on? (Unix
command line tools I can mint out pretty quickly; web and phone
applications take longer.)

Paul

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Essentiae <mary.d...@gmail.com<javascript:>>
wrote:

I can’t code. I have a general idea of some of the things one can do and
am
familiar with a few basic concepts, but that’s it. I would love to have
a
place I can look that lists my goals in order from the earliest to
derail to
the latest (like they’re ordered on the “goals” page), but that also has
the
“bare minimum” for each listed. If it’s an emergency day then the bare
minimum would be in red, if I could lose tomorrow, then have the bare
minimum in the orange, if there’s a safe day have the minimum in blue,
the
green for anything above that, as per the colours of the graph.

So, something like:

Work
+7.0

Practice
+0.5

Exercise
+21.23

Meditation
+3.5

I’d like to know how much I have to do on each thing at a single glance
without opening up each goal page. The iPhone app does this, but only on
emergency days. With something like that, I would be likely to create
more
goals than I have now, again, b/c it would make them easier to manage
at-a-glance.

I would gladly trade off knowing how many safe days I have on each goal
on
the home page for the info about how much I need to do to get to the
next
level. Something like that is what I’d be looking for. Is this something
that can be done using info accessible through the API? (This might be a
stupid question b/c, as mentioned, my coding knowledge is minimal so I
don’t
know if the API can do anything remotely like this.)

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5

That would be great. A list right under the Quick Add box… acting like a
little Beeminder to-do list.

On Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:20:57 PM UTC-4, Jake Jenkins wrote:

I think I get that exact view in the android app at any time

Would be a nice view to have for the website too
On Apr 13, 2013 7:32 PM, “Essentiae” <mary.d...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
wrote:

I can’t code. I have a general idea of some of the things one can do and
am familiar with a few basic concepts, but that’s it. I would love to have
a place I can look that lists my goals in order from the earliest to derail
to the latest (like they’re ordered on the “goals” page), but that also has
the “bare minimum” for each listed. If it’s an emergency day then the bare
minimum would be in red, if I could lose tomorrow, then have the bare
minimum in the orange, if there’s a safe day have the minimum in blue, the
green for anything above that, as per the colours of the graph.

So, something like:

Work
+7.0

Practice
+0.5

Exercise
+21.23

Meditation
+3.5

I’d like to know how much I have to do on each thing at a single glance
without opening up each goal page. The iPhone app does this, but only on
emergency days. With something like that, I would be likely to create more
goals than I have now, again, b/c it would make them easier to manage
at-a-glance.

I would gladly trade off knowing how many safe days I have on each goal
on the home page for the info about how much I need to do to get to the
next level. Something like that is what I’d be looking for. Is this
something that can be done using info accessible through the API? (This
might be a stupid question b/c, as mentioned, my coding knowledge is
minimal so I don’t know if the API can do anything remotely like this.)

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6

If I wanted to create an HTML widget that shows something like:

Goal X
Bare Min
:heavy_check_mark: +4.05 +10.95

How would I go about it?

I tried to spy into where the info is kept (using the tools of my primitive
knowledge… i.e. “view page source”) and it looks as though this is done
on the server side of things so I couldn’t yoink it from there. It’s
probably a dumb/easy question, but I’m afraid I just don’t have the
knowledge to get me there. Would anyone be able to help me out, please?

PS - I know where to find my authorization token.

On Sunday, April 14, 2013 12:02:15 AM UTC-4, Essentiae wrote:

That would be great. A list right under the Quick Add box… acting like a
little Beeminder to-do list.

On Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:20:57 PM UTC-4, Jake Jenkins wrote:

I think I get that exact view in the android app at any time

Would be a nice view to have for the website too
On Apr 13, 2013 7:32 PM, “Essentiae” mary.d...@gmail.com wrote:

I can’t code. I have a general idea of some of the things one can do and
am familiar with a few basic concepts, but that’s it. I would love to have
a place I can look that lists my goals in order from the earliest to derail
to the latest (like they’re ordered on the “goals” page), but that also has
the “bare minimum” for each listed. If it’s an emergency day then the bare
minimum would be in red, if I could lose tomorrow, then have the bare
minimum in the orange, if there’s a safe day have the minimum in blue, the
green for anything above that, as per the colours of the graph.

So, something like:

Work
+7.0

Practice
+0.5

Exercise
+21.23

Meditation
+3.5

I’d like to know how much I have to do on each thing at a single glance
without opening up each goal page. The iPhone app does this, but only on
emergency days. With something like that, I would be likely to create more
goals than I have now, again, b/c it would make them easier to manage
at-a-glance.

I would gladly trade off knowing how many safe days I have on each goal
on the home page for the info about how much I need to do to get to the
next level. Something like that is what I’d be looking for. Is this
something that can be done using info accessible through the API? (This
might be a stupid question b/c, as mentioned, my coding knowledge is
minimal so I don’t know if the API can do anything remotely like this.)

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7

I put together a quick little widget generator for you. If you go
to widgets – beeminder you can select a goal and get
some HTML (an iframe specifically) to put anywhere on the web that will
display the graph thumbnail and the three numbers… let me know if it
works!

-Andy

On Thursday, May 9, 2013 8:22:58 PM UTC+2, Essentiae wrote:

If I wanted to create an HTML widget that shows something like:

Goal X
Bare Min
:heavy_check_mark: +4.05 +10.95

How would I go about it?

I tried to spy into where the info is kept (using the tools of my
primitive knowledge… i.e. “view page source”) and it looks as though this
is done on the server side of things so I couldn’t yoink it from there.
It’s probably a dumb/easy question, but I’m afraid I just don’t have the
knowledge to get me there. Would anyone be able to help me out, please?

PS - I know where to find my authorization token.

On Sunday, April 14, 2013 12:02:15 AM UTC-4, Essentiae wrote:

That would be great. A list right under the Quick Add box… acting like
a little Beeminder to-do list.

On Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:20:57 PM UTC-4, Jake Jenkins wrote:

I think I get that exact view in the android app at any time

Would be a nice view to have for the website too
On Apr 13, 2013 7:32 PM, “Essentiae” mary.d...@gmail.com wrote:

I can’t code. I have a general idea of some of the things one can do
and am familiar with a few basic concepts, but that’s it. I would love to
have a place I can look that lists my goals in order from the earliest to
derail to the latest (like they’re ordered on the “goals” page), but that
also has the “bare minimum” for each listed. If it’s an emergency day then
the bare minimum would be in red, if I could lose tomorrow, then have the
bare minimum in the orange, if there’s a safe day have the minimum in blue,
the green for anything above that, as per the colours of the graph.

So, something like:

Work
+7.0

Practice
+0.5

Exercise
+21.23

Meditation
+3.5

I’d like to know how much I have to do on each thing at a single glance
without opening up each goal page. The iPhone app does this, but only on
emergency days. With something like that, I would be likely to create more
goals than I have now, again, b/c it would make them easier to manage
at-a-glance.

I would gladly trade off knowing how many safe days I have on each goal
on the home page for the info about how much I need to do to get to the
next level. Something like that is what I’d be looking for. Is this
something that can be done using info accessible through the API? (This
might be a stupid question b/c, as mentioned, my coding knowledge is
minimal so I don’t know if the API can do anything remotely like this.)

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8

This is awesome!! Thanks!!

On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:08:40 AM UTC-4, an...@andybrett.com wrote:

I put together a quick little widget generator for you. If you go to
widgets – beeminder you can select a goal and get
some HTML (an iframe specifically) to put anywhere on the web that will
display the graph thumbnail and the three numbers… let me know if it
works!

-Andy

On Thursday, May 9, 2013 8:22:58 PM UTC+2, Essentiae wrote:

If I wanted to create an HTML widget that shows something like:

Goal X
Bare Min
:heavy_check_mark: +4.05 +10.95

How would I go about it?

I tried to spy into where the info is kept (using the tools of my
primitive knowledge… i.e. “view page source”) and it looks as though this
is done on the server side of things so I couldn’t yoink it from there.
It’s probably a dumb/easy question, but I’m afraid I just don’t have the
knowledge to get me there. Would anyone be able to help me out, please?

PS - I know where to find my authorization token.

On Sunday, April 14, 2013 12:02:15 AM UTC-4, Essentiae wrote:

That would be great. A list right under the Quick Add box… acting like
a little Beeminder to-do list.

On Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:20:57 PM UTC-4, Jake Jenkins wrote:

I think I get that exact view in the android app at any time

Would be a nice view to have for the website too
On Apr 13, 2013 7:32 PM, “Essentiae” mary.d...@gmail.com wrote:

I can’t code. I have a general idea of some of the things one can do
and am familiar with a few basic concepts, but that’s it. I would love to
have a place I can look that lists my goals in order from the earliest to
derail to the latest (like they’re ordered on the “goals” page), but that
also has the “bare minimum” for each listed. If it’s an emergency day then
the bare minimum would be in red, if I could lose tomorrow, then have the
bare minimum in the orange, if there’s a safe day have the minimum in blue,
the green for anything above that, as per the colours of the graph.

So, something like:

Work
+7.0

Practice
+0.5

Exercise
+21.23

Meditation
+3.5

I’d like to know how much I have to do on each thing at a single
glance without opening up each goal page. The iPhone app does this, but
only on emergency days. With something like that, I would be likely to
create more goals than I have now, again, b/c it would make them easier to
manage at-a-glance.

I would gladly trade off knowing how many safe days I have on each
goal on the home page for the info about how much I need to do to get to
the next level. Something like that is what I’d be looking for. Is
this something that can be done using info accessible through the API?
(This might be a stupid question b/c, as mentioned, my coding knowledge is
minimal so I don’t know if the API can do anything remotely like this.)

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9

This is excellent.

I do wish there was a way to share a graph for a private goal. I know that
probably seems a little silly. But I’d like to have goals that are a
“mystery” and also be able to share a secret URL that shows someone the
graph itself.

On 15 May 2013 07:08, andy@andybrett.com wrote:

I put together a quick little widget generator for you. If you go to
widgets – beeminder you can select a goal and get
some HTML (an iframe specifically) to put anywhere on the web that will
display the graph thumbnail and the three numbers… let me know if it
works!

-Andy

On Thursday, May 9, 2013 8:22:58 PM UTC+2, Essentiae wrote:

If I wanted to create an HTML widget that shows something like:

Goal X
Bare Min
:heavy_check_mark: +4.05 +10.95

How would I go about it?

I tried to spy into where the info is kept (using the tools of my
primitive knowledge… i.e. “view page source”) and it looks as though this
is done on the server side of things so I couldn’t yoink it from there.
It’s probably a dumb/easy question, but I’m afraid I just don’t have the
knowledge to get me there. Would anyone be able to help me out, please?

PS - I know where to find my authorization token.

On Sunday, April 14, 2013 12:02:15 AM UTC-4, Essentiae wrote:

That would be great. A list right under the Quick Add box… acting like
a little Beeminder to-do list.

On Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:20:57 PM UTC-4, Jake Jenkins wrote:

I think I get that exact view in the android app at any time

Would be a nice view to have for the website too
On Apr 13, 2013 7:32 PM, “Essentiae” mary.d...@gmail.com wrote:

I can’t code. I have a general idea of some of the things one can do
and am familiar with a few basic concepts, but that’s it. I would love to
have a place I can look that lists my goals in order from the earliest to
derail to the latest (like they’re ordered on the “goals” page), but that
also has the “bare minimum” for each listed. If it’s an emergency day then
the bare minimum would be in red, if I could lose tomorrow, then have the
bare minimum in the orange, if there’s a safe day have the minimum in blue,
the green for anything above that, as per the colours of the graph.

So, something like:

Work
+7.0

Practice
+0.5

Exercise
+21.23

Meditation
+3.5

I’d like to know how much I have to do on each thing at a single
glance without opening up each goal page. The iPhone app does this, but
only on emergency days. With something like that, I would be likely to
create more goals than I have now, again, b/c it would make them easier to
manage at-a-glance.

I would gladly trade off knowing how many safe days I have on each
goal on the home page for the info about how much I need to do to get to
the next level. Something like that is what I’d be looking for. Is
this something that can be done using info accessible through the API?
(This might be a stupid question b/c, as mentioned, my coding knowledge is
minimal so I don’t know if the API can do anything remotely like this.)

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Noah, by private, do you mean w/o the name of the goal in the URL?

On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:52:15 PM UTC-4, Noah Wilde wrote:

This is excellent.

I do wish there was a way to share a graph for a private goal. I know that
probably seems a little silly. But I’d like to have goals that are a
“mystery” and also be able to share a secret URL that shows someone the
graph itself.

On 15 May 2013 07:08, <an...@andybrett.com <javascript:>> wrote:

I put together a quick little widget generator for you. If you go to
widgets – beeminder you can select a goal and get
some HTML (an iframe specifically) to put anywhere on the web that will
display the graph thumbnail and the three numbers… let me know if it
works!

-Andy

11

A question unrelated to the one to which I just responded: I just figured
out how to use the php api to do this (don’t laugh… coding’s not my
thing!):

<?php require_once 'lib/Beeminder/Autoloader.php'; Beeminder_Autoloader::register(); require_once dirname(__FILE__) . '/lib/Beeminder/Autoloader.php'; Beeminder_Autoloader::register(); $api = new Beeminder_Client(); $api->login('MyUserName', 'MyAuthToken', Beeminder_Client::AUTH_PRIVATE_TOKEN); $goals = $api->getGoalApi()->getGoals(); echo "{$goal->title} \n
"; echo " thumb_url}\" alt=\"{$goal->title}\"> \n
"; echo "{$goal->limsum} \n
"; [etc.] ?>

…but I can’t figure out what the format would be to create datapoints.
Say I had some variable $x and wanted to enter that as a datapoint into a
specific goal. How would I need to “phrase” that?

The reason I’m asking is that I want to create a goal that will track how
many of my “drinker” type goals there are in which I have no data entered
for the day, to keep me from just leaving them blank. I plan on using
either an “inboxer” goal or a custom goal to do this along with something
like this:

foreach ($goals as $goal) {
if (($goal->lastday < $startToday) && ($goal->frozen != 1) &&
(($goal->goal_type == “drinker”) || ($goal->goal_type == “fatloser”)) {
echo “

”;
echo "{$goal->title} \n
“;
echo “<img width=“145” src=”{$goal-> thumb_url}“
alt=”{$goal->title}”> \n
";
echo "{$goal->limsum} \n
";
$unreportedToday++;
[etc.]

I’d then have $unreportedToday posted to the goal that tracks to make sure
I’m not leaving blank values. (Because it turns out that, although I have a
strong aversion to lying, I appear to have no such aversion to just staying
quiet… “I didn’t really mean to start those up again today anyway… I
was only considering it. I’ll start tracking them again tomorrow,
probably.”)

(I’ll have it compare the last datapoint with $unreportedToday to make sure
I’m not entering the same datapoint for nothing… and I’ll probably
eventually also use something like this to consolidate datapoints for today
into one single datapoint and delete the superfluous ones (most of my
graphs aren’t custom and I hate the multiple-datapoints-per-day-on-a-graph
thing) but the above is the gist of the part of this I’m not sure how to do
right now. I’m sure it’s simple… but I don’t really know how to code… I
just piece things together once I ~kind of~ figure out what they do!)

12

I imagined that anyone getting the (hypothetical) secret URL would be
allowed to see everything about it.

Hey, if we implemented the following, without any UI, would anyone use it?
Say user alice has a secret graph, beeminder.
She could give someone a URL like
beeminder
where garbledygook123 is the hmac_sha1 of the URL until the ‘&’,
signed with your API key.

But I’d actually rather convince people to just not have secret goals!
I feel like it suffices to just name things
euphemistically/esoterically. Then just give out the usual URL and
reveal what “showers” really means at your own discretion. [1]

In any case, here are related ideas on uservoice to vote up or comment on:

[1] I have nothing particular in mind there!

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Essentiae essentiae@gmail.com wrote:

Noah, by private, do you mean w/o the name of the goal in the URL?

On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:52:15 PM UTC-4, Noah Wilde wrote:

This is excellent.

I do wish there was a way to share a graph for a private goal. I know that
probably seems a little silly. But I’d like to have goals that are a
“mystery” and also be able to share a secret URL that shows someone the
graph itself.

On 15 May 2013 07:08, an...@andybrett.com wrote:

I put together a quick little widget generator for you. If you go to
widgets – beeminder you can select a goal and get
some HTML (an iframe specifically) to put anywhere on the web that will
display the graph thumbnail and the three numbers… let me know if it
works!

-Andy

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Well, what would be cool from my perspective is being able to hide a goal
from my public profile. But still being able to give out a link.

That’s how secret photos on Flickr work. If you have the URL you can access
it. But the photos don’t show up on the user profile at all.

I don’t like the fact that mystery goals show up as “mystery goal”. They
should just be hidden entirely.

But I still wanna share them with friends occasionally. :slight_smile:

I think that’s the same as:

On 17 May 2013 07:55, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com wrote:

I imagined that anyone getting the (hypothetical) secret URL would be
allowed to see everything about it.

Hey, if we implemented the following, without any UI, would anyone use it?
Say user alice has a secret graph, beeminder.
She could give someone a URL like

beeminder
where garbledygook123 is the hmac_sha1 of the URL until the ‘&’,
signed with your API key.

But I’d actually rather convince people to just not have secret goals!
I feel like it suffices to just name things
euphemistically/esoterically. Then just give out the usual URL and
reveal what “showers” really means at your own discretion. [1]

In any case, here are related ideas on uservoice to vote up or comment on:

Make it possible to share my graphs with friends in a secure way, so I risk losing face & cash. – Customer Feedback for Beeminder
*
Have an option for sharing graphs without the numbers visible – Customer Feedback for Beeminder
*
Allow semiprivate goals – Customer Feedback for Beeminder

[1] I have nothing particular in mind there!

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Essentiae essentiae@gmail.com wrote:

Noah, by private, do you mean w/o the name of the goal in the URL?

On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:52:15 PM UTC-4, Noah Wilde wrote:

This is excellent.

I do wish there was a way to share a graph for a private goal. I know
that
probably seems a little silly. But I’d like to have goals that are a
“mystery” and also be able to share a secret URL that shows someone the
graph itself.

On 15 May 2013 07:08, an...@andybrett.com wrote:

I put together a quick little widget generator for you. If you go to
widgets – beeminder you can select a goal and
get
some HTML (an iframe specifically) to put anywhere on the web that will
display the graph thumbnail and the three numbers… let me know if it
works!

-Andy

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I agree. “Mystery goal” serves little purpose. However, there’s the problem
with generating complicated URLs that these were never intended to act as
passwords, and so there’s no guarantee that somewhere along the chain the
URL might not be exposed.

Would it be lame to have “sign in to see this secret graph!”?

Ben Eills
07511656061
On 17 May 2013 14:20, “Noah Wilde” nwilde@tumbolia.org wrote:

Well, what would be cool from my perspective is being able to hide a goal
from my public profile. But still being able to give out a link.

That’s how secret photos on Flickr work. If you have the URL you can
access it. But the photos don’t show up on the user profile at all.

I don’t like the fact that mystery goals show up as “mystery goal”. They
should just be hidden entirely.

But I still wanna share them with friends occasionally. :slight_smile:

I think that’s the same as:

Allow semiprivate goals – Customer Feedback for Beeminder

On 17 May 2013 07:55, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com wrote:

I imagined that anyone getting the (hypothetical) secret URL would be
allowed to see everything about it.

Hey, if we implemented the following, without any UI, would anyone use it?
Say user alice has a secret graph, beeminder.
She could give someone a URL like

beeminder
where garbledygook123 is the hmac_sha1 of the URL until the ‘&’,
signed with your API key.

But I’d actually rather convince people to just not have secret goals!
I feel like it suffices to just name things
euphemistically/esoterically. Then just give out the usual URL and
reveal what “showers” really means at your own discretion. [1]

In any case, here are related ideas on uservoice to vote up or comment on:

Make it possible to share my graphs with friends in a secure way, so I risk losing face & cash. – Customer Feedback for Beeminder
*
Have an option for sharing graphs without the numbers visible – Customer Feedback for Beeminder
*
Allow semiprivate goals – Customer Feedback for Beeminder

[1] I have nothing particular in mind there!

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Essentiae essentiae@gmail.com wrote:

Noah, by private, do you mean w/o the name of the goal in the URL?

On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:52:15 PM UTC-4, Noah Wilde wrote:

This is excellent.

I do wish there was a way to share a graph for a private goal. I know
that
probably seems a little silly. But I’d like to have goals that are a
“mystery” and also be able to share a secret URL that shows someone the
graph itself.

On 15 May 2013 07:08, an...@andybrett.com wrote:

I put together a quick little widget generator for you. If you go to
widgets – beeminder you can select a goal and
get
some HTML (an iframe specifically) to put anywhere on the web that
will
display the graph thumbnail and the three numbers… let me know if it
works!

-Andy

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Naming things in an obfuscated way, is just that - obfuscation, and doesn’t work if you enter in detailed comments…

-Jolly

From: akratics@googlegroups.com [mailto:akratics@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Eills
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 8:40 AM
To: akratics@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dashboard (Could use help from someone who knows how to use the API)

I agree. “Mystery goal” serves little purpose. However, there’s the problem with generating complicated URLs that these were never intended to act as passwords, and so there’s no guarantee that somewhere along the chain the URL might not be exposed.

Would it be lame to have “sign in to see this secret graph!”?

Ben Eills
07511656061
On 17 May 2013 14:20, “Noah Wilde” <nwilde@tumbolia.orgmailto:nwilde@tumbolia.org> wrote:
Well, what would be cool from my perspective is being able to hide a goal from my public profile. But still being able to give out a link.

That’s how secret photos on Flickr work. If you have the URL you can access it. But the photos don’t show up on the user profile at all.

I don’t like the fact that mystery goals show up as “mystery goal”. They should just be hidden entirely.

But I still wanna share them with friends occasionally. :slight_smile:

I think that’s the same as:

On 17 May 2013 07:55, Daniel Reeves <dreeves@beeminder.commailto:dreeves@beeminder.com> wrote:
I imagined that anyone getting the (hypothetical) secret URL would be
allowed to see everything about it.

Hey, if we implemented the following, without any UI, would anyone use it?
Say user alice has a secret graph, beeminderhttp://beeminder.com/alice/embarrassingthing.
She could give someone a URL like
beeminderhttp://beeminder.com/alice/embarrassingthing?expires=2013-05-16&secretcode=garbledygook123
where garbledygook123 is the hmac_sha1 of the URL until the ‘&’,
signed with your API key.

But I’d actually rather convince people to just not have secret goals!
I feel like it suffices to just name things
euphemistically/esoterically. Then just give out the usual URL and
reveal what “showers” really means at your own discretion. [1]

In any case, here are related ideas on uservoice to vote up or comment on:

[1] I have nothing particular in mind there!

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Essentiae <essentiae@gmail.commailto:essentiae@gmail.com> wrote:

Noah, by private, do you mean w/o the name of the goal in the URL?

On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:52:15 PM UTC-4, Noah Wilde wrote:

This is excellent.

I do wish there was a way to share a graph for a private goal. I know that
probably seems a little silly. But I’d like to have goals that are a
“mystery” and also be able to share a secret URL that shows someone the
graph itself.

On 15 May 2013 07:08, <an...@andybrett.commailto:an...@andybrett.com> wrote:

I put together a quick little widget generator for you. If you go to
widgets – beeminder you can select a goal and get
some HTML (an iframe specifically) to put anywhere on the web that will
display the graph thumbnail and the three numbers… let me know if it
works!

-Andy

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Asking someone to sign-in wouldn’t solve anything. And in any case, it’s
rarely a good idea to solve social problems with technical measures. :wink:
Better to just tell your friend “hey, don’t share this okay!”

My ideal setup would be that mystery goals were completely hidden to
everyone except me. And that I can pass out the URL if I want, and the URL
is all you need to access it.

Then it is up to me to obsfucate the URL, name, units, hide the data
points, or whatever, as I see fit. I should imagine that in my case, I
would use meaningful ULRs, etc. As long as the goal was hidden from my
profile, there’s no reason to further mask anything. If I’m handing you the
link, then presumably I want you to know what it’s about! :stuck_out_tongue:

On 17 May 2013 16:40, Ben Eills ben@beneills.com wrote:

I agree. “Mystery goal” serves little purpose. However, there’s the
problem with generating complicated URLs that these were never intended to
act as passwords, and so there’s no guarantee that somewhere along the
chain the URL might not be exposed.

Would it be lame to have “sign in to see this secret graph!”?

Ben Eills
07511656061
On 17 May 2013 14:20, “Noah Wilde” nwilde@tumbolia.org wrote:

Well, what would be cool from my perspective is being able to hide a goal
from my public profile. But still being able to give out a link.

That’s how secret photos on Flickr work. If you have the URL you can
access it. But the photos don’t show up on the user profile at all.

I don’t like the fact that mystery goals show up as “mystery goal”. They
should just be hidden entirely.

But I still wanna share them with friends occasionally. :slight_smile:

I think that’s the same as:

Allow semiprivate goals – Customer Feedback for Beeminder

On 17 May 2013 07:55, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com wrote:

I imagined that anyone getting the (hypothetical) secret URL would be
allowed to see everything about it.

Hey, if we implemented the following, without any UI, would anyone use
it?
Say user alice has a secret graph, beeminder
.
She could give someone a URL like

beeminder
where garbledygook123 is the hmac_sha1 of the URL until the ‘&’,
signed with your API key.

But I’d actually rather convince people to just not have secret goals!
I feel like it suffices to just name things
euphemistically/esoterically. Then just give out the usual URL and
reveal what “showers” really means at your own discretion. [1]

In any case, here are related ideas on uservoice to vote up or comment
on:

Make it possible to share my graphs with friends in a secure way, so I risk losing face & cash. – Customer Feedback for Beeminder
*
Have an option for sharing graphs without the numbers visible – Customer Feedback for Beeminder
*
Allow semiprivate goals – Customer Feedback for Beeminder

[1] I have nothing particular in mind there!

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Essentiae essentiae@gmail.com wrote:

Noah, by private, do you mean w/o the name of the goal in the URL?

On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:52:15 PM UTC-4, Noah Wilde wrote:

This is excellent.

I do wish there was a way to share a graph for a private goal. I know
that
probably seems a little silly. But I’d like to have goals that are a
“mystery” and also be able to share a secret URL that shows someone
the
graph itself.

On 15 May 2013 07:08, an...@andybrett.com wrote:

I put together a quick little widget generator for you. If you go to
widgets – beeminder you can select a goal
and get
some HTML (an iframe specifically) to put anywhere on the web that
will
display the graph thumbnail and the three numbers… let me know if
it
works!

-Andy

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Perhaps there are three levels of privacy:

  • Public, and on your profile page
  • Hidden, you can pass out the URL to other people to view
  • Secret, and only you can view, even with the URL

On 17 May 2013 18:05, Noah Wilde nwilde@tumbolia.org wrote:

Asking someone to sign-in wouldn’t solve anything. And in any case, it’s
rarely a good idea to solve social problems with technical measures. :wink:
Better to just tell your friend “hey, don’t share this okay!”

My ideal setup would be that mystery goals were completely hidden to
everyone except me. And that I can pass out the URL if I want, and the URL
is all you need to access it.

Then it is up to me to obsfucate the URL, name, units, hide the data
points, or whatever, as I see fit. I should imagine that in my case, I
would use meaningful ULRs, etc. As long as the goal was hidden from my
profile, there’s no reason to further mask anything. If I’m handing you the
link, then presumably I want you to know what it’s about! :stuck_out_tongue:

On 17 May 2013 16:40, Ben Eills ben@beneills.com wrote:

I agree. “Mystery goal” serves little purpose. However, there’s the
problem with generating complicated URLs that these were never intended to
act as passwords, and so there’s no guarantee that somewhere along the
chain the URL might not be exposed.

Would it be lame to have “sign in to see this secret graph!”?

Ben Eills
07511656061
On 17 May 2013 14:20, “Noah Wilde” nwilde@tumbolia.org wrote:

Well, what would be cool from my perspective is being able to hide a
goal from my public profile. But still being able to give out a link.

That’s how secret photos on Flickr work. If you have the URL you can
access it. But the photos don’t show up on the user profile at all.

I don’t like the fact that mystery goals show up as “mystery goal”. They
should just be hidden entirely.

But I still wanna share them with friends occasionally. :slight_smile:

I think that’s the same as:

Allow semiprivate goals – Customer Feedback for Beeminder

On 17 May 2013 07:55, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com wrote:

I imagined that anyone getting the (hypothetical) secret URL would be
allowed to see everything about it.

Hey, if we implemented the following, without any UI, would anyone use
it?
Say user alice has a secret graph,
beeminder.
She could give someone a URL like

beeminder
where garbledygook123 is the hmac_sha1 of the URL until the ‘&’,
signed with your API key.

But I’d actually rather convince people to just not have secret goals!
I feel like it suffices to just name things
euphemistically/esoterically. Then just give out the usual URL and
reveal what “showers” really means at your own discretion. [1]

In any case, here are related ideas on uservoice to vote up or comment
on:

Make it possible to share my graphs with friends in a secure way, so I risk losing face & cash. – Customer Feedback for Beeminder
*
Have an option for sharing graphs without the numbers visible – Customer Feedback for Beeminder
*
Allow semiprivate goals – Customer Feedback for Beeminder

[1] I have nothing particular in mind there!

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Essentiae essentiae@gmail.com wrote:

Noah, by private, do you mean w/o the name of the goal in the URL?

On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:52:15 PM UTC-4, Noah Wilde wrote:

This is excellent.

I do wish there was a way to share a graph for a private goal. I
know that
probably seems a little silly. But I’d like to have goals that are a
“mystery” and also be able to share a secret URL that shows someone
the
graph itself.

On 15 May 2013 07:08, an...@andybrett.com wrote:

I put together a quick little widget generator for you. If you go to
widgets – beeminder you can select a goal
and get
some HTML (an iframe specifically) to put anywhere on the web that
will
display the graph thumbnail and the three numbers… let me know if
it
works!

-Andy

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(In both the latter cases, the goal should not be shown at all on my public
profile page.)

On 17 May 2013 18:06, Noah Wilde nwilde@tumbolia.org wrote:

Perhaps there are three levels of privacy:

  • Public, and on your profile page
  • Hidden, you can pass out the URL to other people to view
  • Secret, and only you can view, even with the URL

On 17 May 2013 18:05, Noah Wilde nwilde@tumbolia.org wrote:

Asking someone to sign-in wouldn’t solve anything. And in any case, it’s
rarely a good idea to solve social problems with technical measures. :wink:
Better to just tell your friend “hey, don’t share this okay!”

My ideal setup would be that mystery goals were completely hidden to
everyone except me. And that I can pass out the URL if I want, and the URL
is all you need to access it.

Then it is up to me to obsfucate the URL, name, units, hide the data
points, or whatever, as I see fit. I should imagine that in my case, I
would use meaningful ULRs, etc. As long as the goal was hidden from my
profile, there’s no reason to further mask anything. If I’m handing you the
link, then presumably I want you to know what it’s about! :stuck_out_tongue:

On 17 May 2013 16:40, Ben Eills ben@beneills.com wrote:

I agree. “Mystery goal” serves little purpose. However, there’s the
problem with generating complicated URLs that these were never intended to
act as passwords, and so there’s no guarantee that somewhere along the
chain the URL might not be exposed.

Would it be lame to have “sign in to see this secret graph!”?

Ben Eills
07511656061
On 17 May 2013 14:20, “Noah Wilde” nwilde@tumbolia.org wrote:

Well, what would be cool from my perspective is being able to hide a
goal from my public profile. But still being able to give out a link.

That’s how secret photos on Flickr work. If you have the URL you can
access it. But the photos don’t show up on the user profile at all.

I don’t like the fact that mystery goals show up as “mystery goal”.
They should just be hidden entirely.

But I still wanna share them with friends occasionally. :slight_smile:

I think that’s the same as:

Allow semiprivate goals – Customer Feedback for Beeminder

On 17 May 2013 07:55, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com wrote:

I imagined that anyone getting the (hypothetical) secret URL would be
allowed to see everything about it.

Hey, if we implemented the following, without any UI, would anyone use
it?
Say user alice has a secret graph,
beeminder.
She could give someone a URL like

beeminder
where garbledygook123 is the hmac_sha1 of the URL until the ‘&’,
signed with your API key.

But I’d actually rather convince people to just not have secret goals!
I feel like it suffices to just name things
euphemistically/esoterically. Then just give out the usual URL and
reveal what “showers” really means at your own discretion. [1]

In any case, here are related ideas on uservoice to vote up or comment
on:

Make it possible to share my graphs with friends in a secure way, so I risk losing face & cash. – Customer Feedback for Beeminder
*
Have an option for sharing graphs without the numbers visible – Customer Feedback for Beeminder
*
Allow semiprivate goals – Customer Feedback for Beeminder

[1] I have nothing particular in mind there!

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Essentiae essentiae@gmail.com
wrote:

Noah, by private, do you mean w/o the name of the goal in the URL?

On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:52:15 PM UTC-4, Noah Wilde wrote:

This is excellent.

I do wish there was a way to share a graph for a private goal. I
know that
probably seems a little silly. But I’d like to have goals that are a
“mystery” and also be able to share a secret URL that shows someone
the
graph itself.

On 15 May 2013 07:08, an...@andybrett.com wrote:

I put together a quick little widget generator for you. If you go
to
widgets – beeminder you can select a goal
and get
some HTML (an iframe specifically) to put anywhere on the web that
will
display the graph thumbnail and the three numbers… let me know
if it
works!

-Andy

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Naming things in an obfuscated way, is just that – obfuscation, and doesn’t
work if you enter in detailed comments…

I agree, which is why it’s opt-in to share your datapoint comments
even for non-secret goals.

I agree. “Mystery goal” serves little purpose.

Yeah, that was our hacky solution to the problem that it wasn’t
obvious when you’re signed in. We were nervous about secret goals
being out of sight, out of mind. Maybe that’s less of a problem now
than it was when we implemented that. Back then you could even enter
data without being signed in! I think it’s still an issue though.
Imagine pulling up beeminder.com/yourname quickly to check for any red
graphs. It needs to somehow be obvious that you might be missing
something if some secret goals are red but you aren’t actually signed
in to see secret goals.

Would it be lame to have “sign in to see this secret graph!”?

Despite revealing the existence of secret goals, we’re careful not to
reveal the existence of their URLs (thanks to whoever that was –
probably Paul Fenwick? – who pointed this out to us). So you can’t
surf to beeminder and have it prompt you to
sign in to see it. Then you’d be all “ha, I knew it! jolly beeminds
his axe-murdering!” Actually it does prompt you to sign in if you surf
to that but that’s what it does when you surf to
beeminder so you can’t learn anything that way.
(Please let us know if you find any leaks!)

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http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Goal tracking + Commitment contracts == http://beeminder.com

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What about:

beeminder.com/jolly/d6bc/axemurderinghttp://beeminder.com/jolly/axemurdering

:slight_smile:

On 17 May 2013 19:06, Daniel Reeves dreeves@beeminder.com wrote:

Naming things in an obfuscated way, is just that – obfuscation, and
doesn’t
work if you enter in detailed comments…

I agree, which is why it’s opt-in to share your datapoint comments
even for non-secret goals.

I agree. “Mystery goal” serves little purpose.

Yeah, that was our hacky solution to the problem that it wasn’t
obvious when you’re signed in. We were nervous about secret goals
being out of sight, out of mind. Maybe that’s less of a problem now
than it was when we implemented that. Back then you could even enter
data without being signed in! I think it’s still an issue though.
Imagine pulling up beeminder.com/yourname quickly to check for any red
graphs. It needs to somehow be obvious that you might be missing
something if some secret goals are red but you aren’t actually signed
in to see secret goals.

Would it be lame to have “sign in to see this secret graph!”?

Despite revealing the existence of secret goals, we’re careful not to
reveal the existence of their URLs (thanks to whoever that was –
probably Paul Fenwick? – who pointed this out to us). So you can’t
surf to beeminder and have it prompt you to
sign in to see it. Then you’d be all “ha, I knew it! jolly beeminds
his axe-murdering!” Actually it does prompt you to sign in if you surf
to that but that’s what it does when you surf to
beeminder so you can’t learn anything that way.
(Please let us know if you find any leaks!)

–
http://dreev.es – search://“Daniel Reeves”
Goal tracking + Commitment contracts == http://beeminder.com

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